General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Chippy_boy said:
No, it's called "theft".

Money obtained perfectly legally is YOUR money. If it has been obtained illegally then you would have a case, and indeed you might argue about whether the rules as to what is legal, need changing.

But once someone has legally acquired what is theirs, taking it off them without their consent is not "tax", it is theft.
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This is what I was trying to say, but you put it much better.
 
Just to counter some of the Labour silliness on here :-)

"One poll, conducted by Opinium between November 20 and 22, polled a sample of 2,003 British adults.

The results show the strongest lead for the Tories yet, as Labour’s controversial manifesto, coupled with the Brexit Party standing down in Tory seats, makes way for a Conservative landslide.

Opinium poll results:

  • Conservative - 47 percent
  • Labour - 28 percent
  • Lib Dem - 12 percent
  • SNP - 5 percent
  • Brexit Party - 3 percent
  • Green - 3 percent
  • Other - 2 percent"
I don't know what you're saying to them on those doorsteps @Vic but carry on, it appears to be working.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Why not ask for a voluntary contribution then? Or link it to a single flat tax rate of, say, 30%? Tax on wealth is much more preferable to tax on earnings especially if we are ever to close this productivity gap we have. A flat tax, with no marginal rates acting as a disinsentive, would be a great thing. Imagine if the 2 manifestos said we will reduce flat tax to 28p and one said we will increase it to 32p. This is what you will get/not get, depending on how you vote. I am not saying it is the answer but all of us trying to think differently might not be a bad place to start.
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Oh you mean like a... National Contributory Fund?
 
inbetween said:
Stamp duty is a tax on sales and so is more or less the same as VAT. It has nothing to do with ownership nor anything to do with taking to pay off things.

Most rich people are not cash rich, they are land owners, shareholders etc so with your previous post the only way to free up that cash to pay off the national debt is the theft of their land, shares etc...

Hence I said why doesn't everyone just give up a bit of their own homes instead of expecting someone else to give up theirs?
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If everyone was asked to pay 20% of what they’ve got to get rid of the national debt (assuming debt is a bad thing, which is an entirely different argument), I’d happily do it. I’d rather be a bit poorer and have a society worth living in, where we look after the old, the young, the sick and those less fortunate than ourselves. Where aspiration is a real word not just something bandied about by politicians, where your life expectancy was not mapped out according to which 10% band of the population you were fortunate or unfortunate enough to be born into. Over 4 million kids living in poverty and it’s 2019. In a class of 30 that’s 10 of them. Of course, in some classes there aren’t anything like 30 kids and not one of them lives in poverty. They’d be the ones who’re ‘better’ than the rest of us because they’re our rulers. In others classrooms, it’s not quite the same.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Not one single message from the Tories or Lib Dems on Twitter about registering to vote. They are petrified of the youth and so they should be!
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The right want the electorate apathetic, politics as usual, nothing can be achieved, nothing can be solved, shit as the natural order of things, and they're never at the forefront of getting people to register, the more people registered to vote the poorer they do.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Just to counter some of the Labour silliness on here :-)

"One poll, conducted by Opinium between November 20 and 22, polled a sample of 2,003 British adults.

The results show the strongest lead for the Tories yet, as Labour’s controversial manifesto, coupled with the Brexit Party standing down in Tory seats, makes way for a Conservative landslide.

Opinium poll results:

  • Conservative - 47 percent
  • Labour - 28 percent
  • Lib Dem - 12 percent
  • SNP - 5 percent
  • Brexit Party - 3 percent
  • Green - 3 percent
  • Other - 2 percent"
I don't know what you're saying to them on those doorsteps @Vic but carry on, it appears to be working.
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I hope to god the Tories are as deluded as you are. Who am I kidding, of course they are!

At the last GE on the day of the vote 3/4 pollsters had the Tories up by 12 points or more. Another 3/4 had them up by 7/8.

They poll based on a youth turnout of 30%. In 2017 it was 67%.

2.8 million registered to vote in a few weeks with Labour the only party encouraging people to do so.

It’ll be nip and tuck whether the Tories get a majority but 19 points would be 100 seats plus. Laughable.
 
He has no respect for the queen,used her to read out his waffle,lied to her about shutting down parliament and now wants to use her again,she is 93 ffs,i she says fuck orft

MPs could vote on Boris Johnson's Brexit deal before Christmas if the Conservatives win a majority in the general election.

Downing Street has said that Mr Johnson would call for a Queen's Speech on 19 December if he remains prime minister after the election.


If this happens, the state opening of parliament would go ahead with "reduced ceremonial elements".
 
jay_mcfc said:
Not one single message from the Tories or Lib Dems on Twitter about registering to vote. They are petrified of the youth and so they should be!
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Disgraceful from the Lib Dems particularly because they are actually supposed to be a LIBERAL party who support the maximum extension of the franchise.
AND then of course there's the 2010 election ( no explanation needed).
 
Len Rum said:
Disgraceful from the Lib Dems particularly because they are actually supposed to be a LIBERAL party who support the maximum extension of the franchise.
AND then of course there's the 2010 election ( no explanation needed).
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I think the battering Swinson has had of late she is keeping a very low profile . Not a peep since the leaders debate
 
Talk about dumbing down, the Mrs just tells me that someone from the University of Gloucestershire was just on the telly saying that they have students who are asking what is a General Election and what is one for?

That's the best and brightest going to university is it? God help us all.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Talk about dumbing down, the Mrs just tells me that someone from the University of Gloucestershire was just on the telly saying that they have students who are asking what is a General Election and what is one for?
That's the best and brightest going to university is it? God help us all.
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" someone ...was just on telly saying that...."
And of course you believe it.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Talk about dumbing down, the Mrs just tells me that someone from the University of Gloucestershire was just on the telly saying that they have students who are asking what is a General Election and what is one for?

That's the best and brightest going to university is it? God help us all.
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I'm sure they could find someone to say that, I'm just as sure they would always have been able to find somebody to say that. It isn't evidence that there are any more stuoid peolple than there have ever been. One of my children has just left university the other just started they and all their friends are well aware of what's going on and what's at stake.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Not one single message from the Tories or Lib Dems on Twitter about registering to vote. They are petrified of the youth and so they should be!
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The Lib Dem’s have tweeted about that multiple times, the last one being yesterday...

The amount of bollocks being rehashed from all sides without even a ten second check is getting very tedious.
 
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