As far as I’m concerned they can have them!
They are both highly poisoned political parties. Unrecognisable from what they once were. And not for the better. All our politics is poisoned at the moment. Not good. Not good at all.
You're still only more concerned with how this affects Labour's election chances. You've effectively boiled it down to "i'm sick of the Jewish right-wingers trying to discredit Labour"You just don't get it. Only someone who see's but doesn't read would agree. Unless your read and chose not to understand. Particular grievances are important but I was referencing tonights intervention. Right is not on the side of one man just because of the position that he holds especially when he uses that position in an unseemly manner. Indignation of one man is not something to be used as a religious tool. Coercion of others by the use of a position held as a result of faith is an unseemly use of the position held by that person particularly for ones own gain. Kick it into touch as we will never agree.
You're still only more concerned with how this affects Labour's election chances. You've effectively boiled it down to "i'm sick of the Jewish right-wingers trying to discredit Labour"
We based a great Empire around nicking stuff from other people. There’s no other worthwhile way to describe it.I have to say when I saw them I was somewhat uninspired and thought much the same - most of the stuff we were gifted or looted could be handed back - to be honest in most cases we could probably fashion a decent replica to put on show anyway.
They are both highly poisoned political parties. Unrecognisable from what they once were. And not for the better. All our politics is poisoned at the moment. Not good. Not good at all.
We based a great Empire around nicking stuff from other people. There’s no other worthwhile way to describe it.
It’s much more discernible since the vote to leave, with both ‘sides’ sharing the blame for that.Completely agree. Not just our politics but the majority of the analysis of it too and as a consequence our societal acceptance of a lot of it.
Completely agree. Not just our politics but the majority of the analysis of it too and as a consequence our societal acceptance of a lot of it.
The slave trade certainly gave us a massive leg-up as a nation leading up to (and possibly leading to) industrialisation. It definitely cemented our dominance of the waves three hundred or so years ago. We benefitted massively as a nation from the slave trade.To be fair we grew some stuff as well - we got indigenous people to harvest it or if none were available we just imported some. Yet folk think recognition of an apologies for the slave trade is going too far. Many of our cites would still be coastal fishing hamlets without the slave trade ffs
It’s much more discernible since the vote to leave, with both ‘sides’ sharing the blame for that.
A slave trade certainly was influencial in England incentively building a large navy, but it wasn't the one you're thinking of.The slave trade certainly gave us a massive leg-up as a nation leading up to (and possibly leading to) industrialisation. It definitely cemented our dominance of the waves three hundred or so years ago. We benefitted massively as a nation from the slave trade.
Go on...A slave trade certainly was influencial in England incentively building a large navy, but it wasn't the one you're thinking of.
The slave 'empire' on the Barbary coast was becoming a severe issue around the 15th century and England built a vast number of ships to combat the Barbary pirates who raided European and Caucasus shores.Go on...
Just off to read up on Barbary Pirates!The slave 'empire' on the Barbary coast was becoming a severe issue around the 15th century and England built a vast number of ships to combat the Barbary pirates who raided European and Caucasus shores.
We then went from defence to attack after realising the potential having a large navy afforded. By the time the TST was established, we'd already amassed one of if not the most powerful navies in the world (at the time), but the incentive to have one was due to the Barbary Slave Trade.
Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Ottoman Empire. Roughly 1.2m Europeans and 2.5m Caucasus Slavs, Poles etc.Just off to read up on Barbary Pirates!
They were audacious!Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Ottoman Empire. Roughly 1.2m Europeans and 2.5m Caucasus Slavs, Poles etc.
The lyric "...to the shores of Tripoli" in the US Marine Corps Hymn refers to the Americans fighting them in the First Barbary War as they were abducting US ships.
Well they were backed by the Ottomans, so they could afford to be.They were audacious!
I like to think I’m reasonably knowledgable on history, but the truth is my perspective is pretty narrow. There’s so much I don’t know - which presents an opportunity!Well they were backed by the Ottomans, so they could afford to be.
It lasted for several hundred years, towards the end of the 19th Century. Many mediterranean early forts and erections were built for the purpose of defending shores against them. Bit of an issue for Europeans at the time, when they weren't fighting each other, obvs.I like to think I’m reasonably knowledgable on history, but the truth is my perspective is pretty narrow. There’s so much I don’t know - which presents an opportunity!