General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
Well if the Tories can't fix it then we are really fucked, because sure as hell a Corbyn-led Labour government cannot.

Do you never even bother to ask yourself how on earth all of Labour's spending pledges could be sustainably paid for? Are you simply in "I'm not listening, I'm not listening, I'm not listening" mode? Or are you genuinely serious about making an informed decision and prepared to engage in some open-minded thought about how deliverable their promises actually are?

There are some people who think they can make it work. https://www.ft.com/content/d6f56834-0f78-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae

In reality, practicalities of parliament mean Labour won't get the more extreme stuff through unless they win an unlikely majority. The hysterical reaction to the manifesto is way over the top. Fact is, reality will bite and if they can't afford something, they can't afford it.
 
Its not a Bereavement Pension .... its a lump sum payment of between £1500 and £2500 and then £100 a month for 18 months ....

Whatever it is did men get a widowers pension in the same way widows pensions were administered after the death of their wives, serious question because every time I type "Widowers pension" into google nothing but "Widows pension" comes up on the results.
 
Not ignored by me. I’m well aware of man’s universal and enduring cruelty to each other. I note you didn’t take issue with what I’ve posted per se.
To understand all is to forgive all. The exuberance of your verbosity lends itself to entertaining overstatement - an affliction not unknown in myself. Slavery as a 'massive leg up' for our former maritime dominance or 'cementing' the economic and political success of the British Empire is plainly way OTT tho'.
 
the projection in the press is that he is the leader of the Jewish Community in the UK .... He is not .
He is A leader of the Jewish Community. A Chief Rabbi.

So on that basis you're saying we should ignore his claims and concerns? Is your focus on what he's saying or on how the press are descibing him? Because if it's the latter, then you're missing the entire point of the articles purpose.
 
He is A leader of the Jewish Community. A Chief Rabbi.

So on that basis you're saying we should ignore his claims and concerns? Is your focus on what he's saying or on how the press are descibing him? Because if it's the latter, then you're missing the entire point of the articles purpose.


No ... my point was ..... Labour Manifesto states that a Labour Government will not sell arms or munitions to an Israeli Government (likewise to a Saudi Government)

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inte...ty-manifesto-vows-to-ban-arms-sales-to-israel

I personally was surprised that it took as long as 3 days for the 'Anti semitism' slur to raise its head again.
 
I too have canvassed for the Labour Party in every election except the last one and know exactly whereof I speak. You need to get off the phone and get into the real world to experience the wonderful and challenging realities of doorstep conversation with voters and the rich interchange with those engaged in the same task on behalf of opposition parties.
Perhaps it's just you then. I do plenty of doorstep stuff (but you can cover more by phone) and have never got into a "skirmish".
 
No ... my point was ..... Labour Manifesto states that a Labour Government will not sell arms or munitions to an Israeli Government

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inte...ty-manifesto-vows-to-ban-arms-sales-to-israel

I personally was surprised that it took as long as 3 days for the 'Anti semitism' slur to raise its head again.
But a Labour Government will support the opposition to Israel, groups which have stated their hatred of Jews and the Jewish faith, not just the aggression of the State of Israel.

Seeing the issue yet?
 
Oh dear....... are the Conservatives anti semitic as well then?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...efugees-receive-education-healthcare-and-food


Seeing the issue yet?
So let me get this straight, you don't believe these announcements from within the Jewish community to be actual criticism of Corbyn and a fear of a Labour Government and how it would affect Jewish communities in Britain.

You believe it is nothing more than "right-wing, Israel supporting Jews" opposing Labour's anti-war pro-Palestine, anti-Israel stance.

Note; many Jews in Britain that support Israel ALSO support Palestinians and want a peaceful end to the conflict! Why would any Jewish person in the UK be "angry" at what is stated in that government link, unless of course you believe all Jews just hate Palestinians. Supporting Palestinians is not anti-semitic. Supporting groups like Hezbollah and Hamas which are openly anti-semitic (and homophobic) is.

I am seeing the issue, all right. I'm talking to one right now.
 
There you go with your deflection again. The problem is nothing like on the same scale, as doubtless you know full well. And your attempt to trivialise and downplay the issue within the Labour party is frankly a bit embarrassing.
What trivialising and downplaying? But the best research I know says,
"Levels of antisemitism among those on the left-wing of the political spectrum, including the far-left, are indistinguishable from those found in the general population. Yet, all parts of those on the left of the political spectrum – including the ‘slightly left-of-centre,’ the ‘fairly left-wing’ and the ‘very left-wing’ – exhibit higher levels of anti-Israelism than average. The most antisemitic group on the political spectrum consists of those who identify as very right-wing: the presence of antisemitic attitudes in this group is 2 to 4 times higher compared to the general population. Although the prevalence of antisemitism on the far-right is considerably higher than on the left and in the political centre, the far-right remains marginal in British politics in general, as well as on the broader political right."
https://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR.2017.Antisemitism_in_contemporary_Great_Britain.pdf

Again, without minimising Labour's issues, it sounds like the real threats to the community lie elsewhere.
 
There are some people who think they can make it work. https://www.ft.com/content/d6f56834-0f78-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae

In reality, practicalities of parliament mean Labour won't get the more extreme stuff through unless they win an unlikely majority. The hysterical reaction to the manifesto is way over the top. Fact is, reality will bite and if they can't afford something, they can't afford it.
The article is behind a firewall, so I cannot read it.

The fact is they can borrow what they like and won't stop borrowing and taxing to feed their spending addiction. That's what Labour do. That's what even moderate Labour leaders like Blair and Brown did. Corbyn would do it on an unparalleled scale and completely wreck the economy, leaving the country is even more debt (and massively so).

Annual Interest on our national debt currently runs at over £50bn. That's more than the entire defence budget. It's four times greater than the entire police budget.

It will be impossible for interest rates to not go up significantly if Labour were to gain power, not least because they do not set them. Interest rates are driven by inflation (which would go up due to increased wages, increased labour costs and temporarily increased spending power), exchange rates (the pound would sink and put upward pressure on interest rates) and credit worthiness (which would be downgraded by Labour's spending plans). So interest rates WOULD go up. No ifs buts or maybes.

Given that rates are so low at the moment, even a modest increase in rates could double our debt interest and completely wipe out the benefit of the planned income tax rises of only £14bn. And that's before Labour start pile on the debt burden.

The economy is a finely balanced system - like a delicate watch which responds to minor adjustments. You cannot whack it with a dirty great big hammer and expect it to continue to function just the same. Labour's policy would wreak utter devastation to our economy and the livelihoods of millions and that is no exaggeration.
 

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