General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Chippy_boy said:
The article is behind a firewall, so I cannot read it.

The fact is they can borrow what they like and won't stop borrowing and taxing to feed their spending addiction. That's what Labour do. That's what even moderate Labour leaders like Blair and Brown did. Corbyn would do it on an unparalleled scale and completely wreck the economy, leaving the country is even more debt (and massively so).

Annual Interest on our national debt currently runs at over £50bn. That's more than the entire defence budget. It's four times greater than the entire police budget.

It will be impossible for interest rates to not go up significantly if Labour were to gain power, not least because they do not set them. Interest rates are driven by inflation (which would go up due to increased wages, increased labour costs and temporarily increased spending power), exchange rates (the pound would sink and put upward pressure on interest rates) and credit worthiness (which would be downgraded by Labour's spending plans). So interest rates WOULD go up. No ifs buts or maybes.

Given that rates are so low at the moment, even a modest increase in rates could double our debt interest and completely wipe out the benefit of the planned income tax rises of only £14bn. And that's before Labour start pile on the debt burden.

The economy is a finely balanced system - like a delicate watch which responds to minor adjustments. You cannot whack it with a dirty great big hammer and expect it to continue to function just the same. Labour's policy would wreak utter devastation to our economy and the livelihoods of millions and that is no exaggeration.
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The article, titled "The Labour Party deserves to form the next Government" begins with;

"The UK economy needs reform. For too long it has prioritised consumption over investment, short-term financial returns over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages, and deficit reduction over the quality of public services. The results are now plain. We have had 10 years of near zero productivity growth. Corporate investment has stagnated. Average earnings are still lower than in 2008. A gulf has arisen between London and the South East and the rest of the country. And public services are under intolerable strain — which the economic costs of a hard Brexit would only make worse. We now moreover face the urgent imperative of acting on the climate and environmental crisis."

and ends with:

"As economists, and people who work in various fields of economic policy, we have looked closely at the economic prospectuses of the political parties. It seems clear to us that the Labour party has not only understood the deep problems we face, but has devised serious proposals for dealing with them. We believe it deserves to form the next government."
 
Vic said:
Stop it. "Jewish capitalist conspiracy which is an article of faith for Labour's leadership" is what you said.

Anyway, arguing with you is pointless, so I'm moving onto the phones...
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Well I hope you continue to put people off voting Labour as you are doing on here. Keep it up.
 
Vic said:
You're really saying the Labour party wants me to get into fights on the doorstep? Behave.
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Marx's favourite writer
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Ladies & Gentlemen ..... I bring you the (possibly) the next UK prime minister




If this muppet gets in charge there is no hope
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I'm sorry, have you just decided to ignore your assumption of all Jews in the UK hate Labour because they seemingly hate Palestinians?
 
Let’s see how the media handle Dominic Raab’s refusal to allow Harry Dunn’s parents to attend his hustings last night.
They were locked out by Raab’s security people.
Contemptible ****.
 
Vic said:
Stop it. "Jewish capitalist conspiracy which is an article of faith for Labour's leadership" is what you said.
Anyway, arguing with you is pointless, so I'm moving onto the phones...
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"In November 2017, Jewish authors Howard Jacobson, Simon Schama, and Simon Sebag Montefiore in a letter to The Times, said "We are alarmed that during the past few years, constructive criticism of Israeli governments has morphed into something closer to antisemitism under the cloak of so-called anti-Zionism", further stating "Although anti-Zionists claim innocence of any antisemitic intent, anti-Zionism frequently borrows the libels of classical Jew-hating," and adding "Accusations of international Jewish conspiracy and control of the media have resurfaced to support false equations of Zionism with colonialism and imperialism, and the promotion of vicious, fictitious parallels with genocide and Nazism".[117][118]
 
Vic said:
What trivialising and downplaying? But the best research I know says,
"Levels of antisemitism among those on the left-wing of the political spectrum, including the far-left, are indistinguishable from those found in the general population. Yet, all parts of those on the left of the political spectrum – including the ‘slightly left-of-centre,’ the ‘fairly left-wing’ and the ‘very left-wing’ – exhibit higher levels of anti-Israelism than average. The most antisemitic group on the political spectrum consists of those who identify as very right-wing: the presence of antisemitic attitudes in this group is 2 to 4 times higher compared to the general population. Although the prevalence of antisemitism on the far-right is considerably higher than on the left and in the political centre, the far-right remains marginal in British politics in general, as well as on the broader political right."
https://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR.2017.Antisemitism_in_contemporary_Great_Britain.pdf

Again, without minimising Labour's issues, it sounds like the real threats to the community lie elsewhere.
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Stop it man, for goodness sake. You really are embarrassing yourself. Yet more deflection from THE PROBLEM IN THE LABOUR PARTY.
 
George Hannah said:
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He's one of my favourite writers. DIderot is awesome, and the context here is that the people should not be subjected to the whims of un-elected monarchs or unelected clergy. As monarchs and the clergy were quite happy to kill people of this time if they didn't agree with their version of god, this quote from him is completely reasonable.
 
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