General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Chippy_boy]

The size of the US and EU economies is objective reality. That both will dictate terms is objective reality. That in nearly three years of negotiations on the WA the EU walked away with its key objectives, divorce bill, citizen rights, no land border in NI and secondary objectives, like GI’s, is objective reality.

Reality is a bitch

In your opinion Bob.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Gonna have a tener on Labour majority. Over 4 million people registered to vote in the last few weeks. In the last two days alone 660,000 young voters have registered!

Game changer. And that doesn’t include all the students that will vote twice and in whatever constituency they want!

Haha, state of this! I smell desperation.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Haha, state of this! I smell desperation.

Get on quick, pal. Odds are shortening x

 

[Chippy_boy]

I did seriously consider putting a couple of grand on a Labour win when it was 20/1. Would numb the pain, just a little bit. Unfortunately I don't have a spare couple of grand.

EDIT: Oh, I see it's now 25/1

Reading the endless tripe on here I had of course assumed the odds were shortening. Silly me. I should perhaps wait until next week when it's 30/1

 

[BobKowalski]

It depends where you get your facts from, the reverse is believable if you select an opinion that suits a narrative you believe and want to support.

The US has lower standards in that they accept greater risk in the food chain. Using chlorinated water to clean carcasses is deemed an acceptable way of rectifying welfare and handling issues further down the food chain whereas EU standards dictate that there be better welfare and handling issues making end cleaning less of an issue. There is a different mindset between Europe and the US with the latter being more geared to business rather than the consumer.

We can have cheaper eggs if we as consumers accepted less humane conditions so do we in a post Brexit world except the import of cheaper eggs for the sake of a deal with country A and also accept that this will directly impact our own domestic production or do we go with consumer lobbies who will press for higher standards and better welfare as a way of protecting consumers and also farming lobbies who will press for the same to protect domestic industry or does the Govt ditch egg standards for the sake of a deal and live with the bad headlines and pray there isn’t a salmonella outbreak in school canteens. Decisions, decisions.

And that’s just eggs. One tiny part of the overall economy but exactly the sort of headaches (times a hundred) you get when negotiating a trade deal which is why they take time and you need cross party consensus. Running around have secret meetings and denying you are having discussions when you are having discussions will simply bugger it up from the off.

 

[BobKowalski]

In your opinion Bob.

The last three years is not an opinion. It is fact. Deny it, ignore it, put a tail on it and call it a unicorn if you like but it still isn’t changing the outcome.

 

[George Hannah]

The US has lower standards in that they accept greater risk in the food chain. Using chlorinated water to clean carcasses is deemed an acceptable way of rectifying welfare and handling issues further down the food chain whereas EU standards dictate that there be better welfare and handling issues making end cleaning less of an issue. There is a different mindset between Europe and the US with the latter being more geared to business rather than the consumer.

We can have cheaper eggs if we as consumers accepted less humane conditions so do we in a post Brexit world except the import of cheaper eggs for the sake of a deal with country A and also accept that this will directly impact our own domestic production or do we go with consumer lobbies who will press for higher standards and better welfare as a way of protecting consumers and also farming lobbies who will press for the same to protect domestic industry or does the Govt ditch egg standards for the sake of a deal and live with the bad headlines and pray there isn’t a salmonella outbreak in school canteens. Decisions, decisions.

And that’s just eggs. One tiny part of the overall economy but exactly the sort of headaches (times a hundred) you get when negotiating a trade deal which is why they take time and you need cross party consensus. Running around have secret meetings and denying you are having discussions when you are having discussions will simply bugger it up from the off.

The relatively high price we currently pay for food in the EU area is largely determined by the CAP not by quality issues. The banning of Australian produced meat is another example of protectionism masked by standards non compliance. In that case beef is banned because of the presence of hormone content equivalent to half an egg in an entire carcass.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Labour's new election anthem: Warm Leatherette by The Normal

 

[mcfc1632]

He has found a year old trade discussion document from when the previous pm was in charge, waved it around like it’s some smoking gun and made himself look an even bigger tit than he was previously.

Been working today so just catching up

This had not got any legs has it

Serms proper desperate but we know that even bollocks can sometimes stick

 

[mcfc1632]

Quite right too. WTF is the big deal about chlorinated chicken. When was the last time you were in the US (scrub that, you've probably never been outside manchester) and thought yuck, this chicken tastes all chloriney??? More scaremongering bollocks.

Fucking love the Rib and Chicken in the US

The word cholinated just seems to scare people

 

[mcfc1632]

Matter of opinion if it's bad or not.

On the face of it a deal that reflects the very many compromises required to satisfy 28 vested interests is never going to be as good as one that is targeted on the priorities of on major party

Some people just post stuff without thinking

 

[Chippy_boy]

The last three years is not an opinion. It is fact. Deny it, ignore it, put a tail on it and call it a unicorn if you like but it still isn’t changing the outcome.

IN YOUR OPINION, BOB.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The relatively high price we currently pay for food in the EU area is largely determined by the CAP not by quality issues. The banning of Australian produced meat is another example of protectionism masked by standards non compliance. In that case beef is banned because of the presence of hormone content equivalent to half an egg in an entire carcass.

Not to mention the circa 40% tariff on imported dairy products because the French farmers only have 2 cows each and can't produce anything competitively.

 

[mcfc1632]

Bit early to concede the election vic, is that door knocking not going well.

Made me chuckle that

Perhaps more than it should have - I best pop down the pub

 

[BobKowalski]

The relatively high price we currently pay for food in the EU area is largely determined by the CAP not by quality issues. The banning of Australian produced meat is another example of protectionism masked by standards non compliance. In that case beef is banned because of the presence of hormone content equivalent to half an egg in an entire carcass.

Food prices in Australia are higher than the U.K. Quality and choice is better as well. The range of food, choice and competitive pricing in the U.K. is very good.

 

[Len Rum]

Fucking love the Rib and Chicken in the US

The word cholinated just seems to scare people

'Cholinated' would scare the shit out of me 'cos I don't know what it means.

 

[BobKowalski]

IN YOUR OPINION, BOB.

Again. The last three years of negotiations over the WA are a matter of record not opinion. If you wish to dispute the record then please do so.

 

[Chippy_boy]

'Cholinated' would scare the shit out of me 'cos I don't know what it means.

Not saying much that Len, to be fair.

 

[mcfc1632]

"CHLORINE-WASHED CHICKEN: WHAT IS CHLORINATED CHICKEN? IS CHLORINE-WASHED CHICKEN SAFE TO EAT?
Chlorinated chicken– or chlorine-washed chicken – simply means that chicken was rinsed with chlorinated water; chlorine is not present in the meat. Just as chlorine helps make drinking water safe, it can help remove potentially harmful bacteria from raw chicken.

Although it has been proven safe, most chicken processing plants have moved away from the use of chlorine as a food safety application during the production process. The National Chicken Council in the United States would estimate that chlorine is used in some rinses and sprays in only about 10% of processing plants in the U.S. Most of the chlorine that is used in the industry is used for cleaning and sanitizing processing equipment.

However, numerous studies and scientific research have confirmed that the use of chlorinated water to chill and clean chicken is safe and effective. Chlorine-washed chicken does not pose any human health concerns and it is not present in the final product.

All chicken produced in the United States is closely monitored and inspected by the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS)."

OH MY WORD, WHAT A SCANDAL????!!!!

I posted something similar over a year ago - such ignorance prevails

On this forum alone there have been 100s of posts scare-mongering on this so countless millions overall

 

[Vic]

I don’t think he is bothered about that old report.

I think he will be more bothered about a grilling on the 50000 more nurses.

My first question would be would he extend the transition period.
Liar Johnson: No.
So we are still possibly going to have no trade deal?
LJ: yes.
Can you recall how much the Treasury said that would cost the economy?