General Election - December 12th, 2019

[George Hannah]

I hate them all for lying, BUT there are those that lie less in order to benefit many, not just some.

If you mean Corbyn's lies will benefit this country you are sadly mistaken. They are simply to deceive voters into thinking he has their prosperity at heart when the reality is he wants to sacrifice our economic future on the altar of an absurd Marxist experiment.

 

[Saddleworth2]

The conservative leadership are all pathological liars
They don’t care about the health service
They don’t care about the poor or disadvantaged
They don’t care about climate change
They don’t care about workers rights
They don’t care about Russian interference in our democracy


They do care about getting the U.K. out of Europe whatever it takes and irrespective of the damage ithats done
They do care about their billionaire backers
They do care about their personal wealth
They do care about how their lies are played out in the media

Can someone let me into the secret about why people are choosing to support them because I just don’t get it.

 

[Bigga]

I’m not responding to you anymore.

I suggest you try and imagine what it would be like if a major political party was discriminating this way about your ethnicity.

What, like the Cons did for years through the 70s, 80s and early 90s?

Yeah, I don't relate to discrimination at all and yet, you're offended by proxy!!

 

[George Hannah]

The conservative leadership are all pathological liars
They don’t care about the health service
They don’t care about the poor or disadvantaged
They don’t care about climate change
They don’t care about workers rights
They don’t care about Russian interference in our democracy


They do care about getting the U.K. out of Europe whatever it takes and irrespective of the damage ithats done
They do care about their billionaire backers
They do care about their personal wealth
They do care about how their lies are played out in the media

Can someone let me into the secret about why people are choosing to support them because I just don’t get it.

No secret, even if you're right the alternative is far worse - shows you how bad they are.

 

[BobKowalski]

Absolutely spot on.

Boris is like a bullshitty sales rep, a used car salesman or dodgy estate agent. Loose with his language and sometimes his commitments. It's hardly a desirable trait for a PM and yes he may be full of crap sometimes, but at the end of the day, he's just trying to get a job done and is not actually evil.

Corbyn is entirely different gravy. At the core, he's a deeply unpleasant person who hates our country, hates the better off, hates the army, hates businesses and businessmen. He doesn't give a shit if the economy completely tanks and he has to tax and spend and borrow even more to get us out of the crap. He's a horrible, loathesome individual.

I forget who said it but essentially the line was ‘Johnson is only liked by the people who don’t know him’.

Johnson is a deeply loathsome individual who is not fit to be PM. Judging by his writings, which are all public record. Johnson hates the poor, single mothers and pretty much anyone not in his social class including ‘fuck business’. Johnson also believes the rules don’t apply to him and threatens anyone or anything that opposes him with Channel Four being the latest example. Previously it was the constitution, the Supreme Court and Parliament. These are all dangerous traits in a leader irrespective of party. None of this makes Corbyn any fitter but luckily I’m not handicapped by partisan blinkers so I’m happy to dump on both when it comes to fitness to lead.

 

[Bigga]

If you mean Corbyn's lies will benefit this country you are sadly mistaken. They are simply to deceive voters into thinking he has their prosperity at heart when the reality is he wants to sacrifice our economic future on the altar of an absurd Marxist experiment.

Well, let's look at your leader's performance, shall we?

Let's see if you can stomach the first 20 mins, even.

 

[George Hannah]

Well, let's look at your leader's performance, shall we?

Let's see if you can stomach the first 20 mins, even.

My leader? Think you must be a bit dim ;)

 

[Chippy_boy]

None of this makes Corbyn any fitter but luckily I’m not handicapped by partisan blinkers so I’m happy to dump on both when it comes to fitness to lead.

Good for you Bob. How very superior you are.

 

[BobKowalski]

That’s not true. I listened to that and know the reason why he did it and it wasn’t malicious

Actually I was struck more by the look on his face as he did it. The mask dropped for a moment.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think listening to the people directly affected is always a good starting point. Both parties should start there and investigate accordingly. Corbyn has shown poor leadership and Johnson likewise with the backtracking on the promised enquiry into Islamaphobia. Neither party is covering themselves in glory and both leaderships deserve a kicking.

Also to be honest I’m not impressed with the ‘my side isn’t quite as racist as your side’ flavour to the debate on here or at least that is how it comes across to me even if that isn’t what is meant.

They’re not my side.

I don’t exactly like the Tories but the truth is the evidence is much weaker on their part, compared with Labour and no one has described what Islamophobia means yet. Is it opposition to Islam or Muslims?

 

[mexico1970]

The conservative leadership are all pathological liars
They don’t care about the health service
They don’t care about the poor or disadvantaged
They don’t care about climate change
They don’t care about workers rights
They don’t care about Russian interference in our democracy


They do care about getting the U.K. out of Europe whatever it takes and irrespective of the damage ithats done
They do care about their billionaire backers
They do care about their personal wealth
They do care about how their lies are played out in the media

Can someone let me into the secret about why people are choosing to support them because I just don’t get it.

Before I answer that I will say that I am voting Labour so that the shocking leader and shadow cabinet can get a chance to see what they can do instead of sniping and acting like activists, nothing will change my mind and I am curious to see how they do at the reigns. The political choice in this country amounts to nothing.
The reason why people will vote Tory is because of Corbyn and his shadow cabinet if Labour decide to remove him and put someone with more centrist views or slightly to the left they'd have won the last election and this one IMHO, as an MP Corbyn was a contrary stick in the side of even his own party, he's carrying that on even now because his MP's want rid of him don't they?

 

[Vic]

Why is Labour so entwined with the Palestinian struggle it pisses me off and is a major liability.

Justice is a major liability?

 

[Metal Biker]

Ah, now you're spinning.

You directly asked a member of this forum about not liking Jews.

Direct a charge or retract that question.

Simple.

"Direct a charge or retract that question." Calm down, drama queen. It's a open forum not a courtroom!

Oh, so this is about an "accusation" I labelled towards another poster on the forum is it.

Well, bright eyes, had you been observing past interactions between myself and the "accused" (lol), you'd note that my assumption of their opinion isn't exactly baseless, especially considering what he's said to me personally in the past. K?

 

[Ban-jani]

What, like the Cons did for years through the 70s, 80s and early 90s?

Yeah, I don't relate to discrimination at all and yet, you're offended by proxy!!

What have I got to do with the Tory party in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s?

Now you have to be Jewish to be against antisemitism, got it.

 

[Metal Biker]

The conservative leadership are all pathological liars
They don’t care about the health service
They don’t care about the poor or disadvantaged
They don’t care about climate change
They don’t care about workers rights
They don’t care about Russian interference in our democracy


They do care about getting the U.K. out of Europe whatever it takes and irrespective of the damage ithats done
They do care about their billionaire backers
They do care about their personal wealth
They do care about how their lies are played out in the media

Can someone let me into the secret about why people are choosing to support them because I just don’t get it.

I dunno.

I'm just here to point out Labour is doing the exact same thing and wondering why people are choosing to support them as well, as I'm one of many not supporting either.

 

[mat]

Actually I was struck more by the look on his face as he did it. The mask dropped for a moment.

Sure did.

What a gif.

 

[Metal Biker]

You were asked maybe a couple of times.

Since then, you've OPENLY backed anything anti-Corbyn and I can't remember anything you've said against BloJo.

Because i'm against Corbyn being leader of the party i'd normally be supporting. It's really not that difficult a concept to grasp. I'm "anti-Corbyn" (stupid term) because I don't want him leading Labour. I'm not vocally "anti-Boris" because I don't care about him or his party. I don't support BoJo or the Tories so I really don't care to keep pointing out what a buffoon he is.

I suppose if I posted a few "Boris is a ****, hehe" posts, i'd be vindicated in your eyes? I don't care that Boris leads the Tory Party, I DO care that Corbyn is in charge of Labour. So same argument, reversed against you. You support Corbyn even though he's a proven shithouse?

 

[mat]

 

[AlgarveBlu]

The conservative leadership are all pathological liars
They don’t care about the health service
They don’t care about the poor or disadvantaged
They don’t care about climate change
They don’t care about workers rights
They don’t care about Russian interference in our democracy


They do care about getting the U.K. out of Europe whatever it takes and irrespective of the damage ithats done
They do care about their billionaire backers
They do care about their personal wealth
They do care about how their lies are played out in the media

Can someone let me into the secret about why people are choosing to support them because I just don’t get it.

This election was called because of Brexit and is being framed as the Brexit G.E. and Corbyn and his movement backing him are genuinely feared by a lot of the public- that is the only reason someone like Boris can get away with what he is doing and has done (list is endless) - If there was a more centre left opposition leader with a more centrist manifesto he wouldn't have dared called this election as he would have been wiped out.

All roads lead to Jezza and his Brexit stance during the referendum and his scrambled egg solution that he is offering the electorate on a future referendum - Borris could take a piss on a homeless person in front of a national audience and I'm not sure it would effect his support that much; 'Get Brexit done' and 'Jezza is a marxist' seems to be all that is needed which is evident from their manifesto. Still think the polls on this G.E. are not sophisticated enough to factor in the level of tactical voting we will see this time round so despite his best efforts it's not all over for him.

 

[BobKowalski]

Good for you Bob. How very superior you are.

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