General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Saddleworth2]

I dunno.

I'm just here to point out Labour is doing the exact same thing and wondering why people are choosing to support them as well, as I'm one of many not supporting either.

Is that true though. Seriously. So I can understand why people would believe labour are worse for the economy. But the environment? Social justice? The Health Service? Maybe the belief is that the economy trumps everything else.

 

[Metal Biker]

My leader? Think you must be a bit dim ;)

You post "anti-Corbyn" posts. Therefore you must support BoJo.

It's just Bluemoon logic! :)

 

[Metal Biker]

Is that true though. Seriously. So I can understand why people would believe labour are worse for the economy. But the environment? Social justice? The Health Service? Maybe the belief is that the economy trumps everything else.

They're just as bad, in different ways.
Better?

 

[Saddleworth2]

This election was called because of Brexit and is being framed as the Brexit G.E. and Corbyn and his movement backing him are genuinely feared by a lot of the public- that is the only reason someone like Boris can get away with what he is doing and has done (list is endless) - If there was a more centre left opposition leader with a more centrist manifesto he wouldn't have dared called this election as he would have been wiped out.

All roads lead to Jezza and his Brexit stance during the referendum and his scrambled egg solution that he is offering the electorate on a future referendum - Borris could take a piss on a homeless person in front of a national audience and I'm not sure it would effect his support that much; 'Get Brexit done' and 'Jezza is a marxist' seems to be all that is needed which is evident from their manifesto. Still think the polls on this G.E. are not sophisticated enough to factor in the level of tactical voting we will see this time round so despite his best efforts it's not all over for him.

Please god you are correct.

 

[Metal Biker]

What have I got to do with the Tory party in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s?

Now you have to be Jewish to be against antisemitism, got it.

You must be in the Labour Party as well, for it to count.

Can't oppose antisemitism unless you're jewish, can't be seen to oppose Corbyn or you get called a Tory, can't question a religious doctrine in fear of being called racist.

The amount of intellectual objectivity is staggering on here at times, isn't it. ;)

 

[Bigga]

"Direct a charge or retract that question." Calm down, drama queen. It's a open forum not a courtroom!

Oh, so this is about an "accusation" I labelled towards another poster on the forum is it.

Well, bright eyes, had you been observing past interactions between myself and the "accused" (lol), you'd note that my assumption of their opinion isn't exactly baseless, especially considering what he's said to me personally in the past. K?

Your past has nothing to do with my question.

I saw what I saw here and now.

You directly stated that 'he didn't like Jews'.

So, I'll ask you again; are you accusing him of anti-Semitism?

 

[Saddleworth2]

They're just as bad, in different ways.
Better?

No. Thanks for trying to cheer me up though.

 

[Bigga]

What have I got to do with the Tory party in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s?

Now you have to be Jewish to be against antisemitism, got it.

No, you don't, but you'd do well to be versed all ALL the issues surrounding the accusation.

You haven't even bothered looking at the posted articles.

I know, because your rant wouldn't be as vociferous, but more thoughtful.

 

[Metal Biker]

Your past has nothing to do with my question.

I saw what I saw here and now.

You directly stated that 'he didn't like Jews'.

So, I'll ask you again; are you accusing him of anti-Semitism?

Yes it does. I've had run ins with him over this issue before, and every time it paints a sorded picture about his beliefs on the subject.

Obviously you're also not one for tongue-in-cheek comments. Yes, I believe his sentiments towards jewish people might be antisemitic. It's a gut feeling I have given past interactions with him.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Actually I was struck more by the look on his face as he did it. The mask dropped for a moment.

he was just doing it Ferrari does it when telling his producer to be quiet. Johnson probably had that face because he was messing about with his mate - I wouldn’t read too much into it

 

[Scottyboi]

Justice is a major liability?

It has fuck all to do with the British electorate and shouldn't be so prominent at rallies.

 

[Bigga]

Because i'm against Corbyn being leader of the party i'd normally be supporting. It's really not that difficult a concept to grasp. I'm "anti-Corbyn" (stupid term) because I don't want him leading Labour. I'm not vocally "anti-Boris" because I don't care about him or his party. I don't support BoJo or the Tories so I really don't care to keep pointing out what a buffoon he is.

I suppose if I posted a few "Boris is a ****, hehe" posts, i'd be vindicated in your eyes? I don't care that Boris leads the Tory Party, I DO care that Corbyn is in charge of Labour. So same argument, reversed against you. You support Corbyn even though he's a proven shithouse?

"Proven shithouse" meaning what?

 

[Metal Biker]

No. Thanks for trying to cheer me up though.

So what's the point in asking someone a question if you're not going to accept their answer?

Noted.

 

[blueinsa]

Because it has been the ideological obsession of their leader and his controllers for the last 40 years along with the destruction of the capitalist class - among whom are the Palestinians' principal enemy - the Jews.

America is probably the most pro Israel country as well and look at the hatred of America because of it.

 

[Saddleworth2]

No secret, even if you're right the alternative is far worse - shows you how bad they are.

I can only judge on their actions over the last few years and in particular by behaviours since Johnson was made PM. I am no Corbyn lover. The best we can hope for is a coalition between Labour, Lib Dem’s, Green and SNP. That might curb some of Labours more fanciful manifesto ideas.

 

[Metal Biker]

"Proven shithouse" meaning what?

His mannerisms, his support for anti-LGBT/antisemitic groups Hamas and Hezbollah, his past support for the IRA, his handling and apparent disregard for the antisemitism issue aside from scripted generic "racism is bad" soundbites; do you pay ANY attention to critcism of Corbyn or do you just put the see-no-evil blinkers on?

So i'll ask you again; do you support Corbyn when he supports these groups?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Your past has nothing to do with my question.

I saw what I saw here and now.

You directly stated that 'he didn't like Jews'.

So, I'll ask you again; are you accusing him of anti-Semitism?

What's the big deal keep asking???

I'll accuse him of it if you like. It's obvious to anyone without "Labour" tattoo'd on their forehead, that he is. I mean seriously, he's the bloody leader of the opposition and he goes around supporting a painting like this???

Not to mention being lethargic, or even obstructive of efforts to stamp it out; his "friends' with Hamas and Hezbollah etc.

WTF do you think he says in private when this is what he says and does in public??? I mean seriously, you'd have to need your lumps feeling to think there's nothing dodgy going on. Why on earth do you think *Labour-supporting* Jews are so upset with him???

 

[Saddleworth2]

So what's the point in asking someone a question if you're not going to accept their answer?

Noted.

Don’t be daft mate. I’m not looking for an argument but since when does anyone need to accept an answer unless it is undeniable fact. Despite their multiple faults, I don’t accept that a Corbyn lead Labour is worse than a Johnson lead Tory.

 

[Metal Biker]

Don’t be daft mate. I’m not looking for an argument but since when does anyone need to accept an answer unless it is undeniable fact. Despite their multiple faults, I don’t accept that a Corbyn lead Labour is worse than a Johnson lead Tory.

As someone with Jewish family members, I do.

Better?

Once Corbyn, McDonnell and Momentum are no longer associated with the Labour Party, you'll see me publicly start advocating them.

 

[Ban-jani]

You must be in the Labour Party as well, for it to count.

Can't oppose antisemitism unless you're jewish, can't be seen to oppose Corbyn or you get called a Tory, can't question a religious doctrine in fear of being called racist.

The amount of intellectual objectivity is staggering on here at times, isn't it. ;)

He doesn’t know that I’m not Jewish, that’s the worrying thing.