Andrew Marr

Please do not accuse anyone of "deflection" EVER AGAIN.

Now then!!

Think VERY carefully if the Tories managed to find a billion for the DUP and you'll see it was an answer to your whole spiel, not deflection.

That way you'll understand that actually there was money to spend, but the Cons decided to spend it on voting support rather than prop up important services.
 
I’m going with no as the answer to the above.

There was no reference to reviewing sentencing guidelines or implementing better monitoring measures etc in the recent Queen’s Speech that Johnson deemed so necessary either. Can’t imagine why he was suddenly all over the attack. Maybe there is an election on.

And you would be wrong once again.
 
Now then!!

Think VERY carefully if the Tories managed to find a billion for the DUP and you'll see it was an answer to your whole spiel, not deflection.

That way you'll understand that actually there was money to spend, but the Cons decided to spend it on voting support rather than prop up important services.
The bung to the DUP was distasteful I agree, but entirely necessary to keep Jeremy Cretin out of No.10. An objective which justifies any and all actions, I might add. And in the scheme of things the amount was small. So far only a few hundred million has been paid.

Compare that to the £58 *billion* Labour is waving around to bribe the WASPI voters. Completely un-costed, thrown in on a whim.

Fucking cheek is a speciality of yours it seems.
 
Imprisoning people costs significant sums of money. How on earth were the government proposing to fund all this extra prison time in an age of austerity?
Probably had a lot to do with why the mandatory parole legislation was never seriously looked at, I would imagine.
 
I don't doubt that was a significant factor, but that provides no basis whatsoever for the gratuitous display of sententiousness from the **** on the matter, does it?
No, it doesn't. However, Labour (Yvette Cooper) started it.

IMO, it would have been better if the Tories had simply risen above it and said "If Labour want to try to make political capital out of the terrible events of Friday, then they can do so alone and the voters can judge them for it."
 
Your forensic analysis of the issues sets new standards daily.

Well you are wrong - it is that simple. Labour introduced a policy that let dangerous criminals out automatically after serving half of their time. That is a fact. Spout all the shite you want it is really that simple. But for that Policy this horrendous event would not have happened.
 
Well you are wrong - it is that simple. Labour introduced a policy that let dangerous criminals out automatically after serving half of their time. That is a fact. Spout all the shite you want it is really that simple. But for that Policy this horrendous event would not have happened.

You can almost smell the pant wetting terror that this could in any way be linked to the Govt that has been in power for the last nine years.

The Govt has had ample opportunity to review the procedures for de radicalisation of terror related prisoners and how to monitor and handle them upon release because at some point they were going to be released. Taking responsibility would be a more adult response rather than Johnson riding on the back of the dead for political gain.
 
You can almost smell the pant wetting terror that this could in any way be linked to the Govt that has been in power for the last nine years.

The Govt has had ample opportunity to review the procedures for de radicalisation of terror related prisoners and how to monitor and handle them upon release because at some point they were going to be released. Taking responsibility would be a more adult response rather than Johnson riding on the back of the dead for political gain.

So am i wrong - was it a labour policy that changed the release to automatic at half way as i stated. A yes or no will do.

Just a yes or no.
 
I'm not having anything both ways. I understand the need for cuts. End of.

When you also understand the need for financial prudence, you might have a chance of getting a majority in a general election. Let that sink in for 2 minutes.
Banging your head against a wall of ignorance mate.

The way I read your posts is:

1. The cuts have been necessary if undesirable. That the Tories were voted in on that platform shows that the wider - less myopic - members of the public shared that view

2. That - as tends to be always the case - the driver of the requirement for a sustained period of austerity has been the 'largesse' of the previous Labour regime. That has been demonstrated in spades whenever they have had the 'opportunity' to show their incompetence in managing the economy.

3. That the worst thing thinkable for the health of the UK's economy and the well-being of future generations is that 'this' Labour leadership could come into power with the policies and ideologies that they have set out and those we can be confident that they will introduce. The damage that they would do this time would take generations to recover from.

4. That with austerity coming to an end there is a chance for significant spending but it has to be rational and controlled - this Labour Party cannot be trusted to find the right balance - just consider the latest ill-thought through bribes of today.

You are challenged by those locked into the myopia and ideologies and they seemingly care nothing for future generations - they are fundamentalists. They are not really assessing and replying to your posts, otherwise they would accept the truth and not simply try and deflect - but they are only interested/capable of spouting their mantras.

And they are disingenuous!! The shit that they are coming out with regarding this terrorist attack is shameless. If services are cut because of austerity and austerity was required due to Labour's time in power - it is obvious that Labour has a big share of responsibility.

Whilst I admire your attempts at explanation to and reasoning with them - I wonder as to why you bother - they are not interested in debate - they just wish deride and shout down.

In summary - not worth bothering with
 
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a) It was the right thing to do, or tens of millions of people would have lost their life's savings and their pensions.

b) Doing it was hardly without consequences, was it. It plunged us into enormous debt and fucked the country up for the next 10 years. You may have noticed?

And your side's suggestion is that we fuck up the country for the next 10 years by doing exactly the same thing, only more so? Genius, absolute genius.

If they get in it will be a lot more than 10 years to recover this time round
 
The bung to the DUP was distasteful I agree, but entirely necessary to keep Jeremy Cretin out of No.10. An objective which justifies any and all actions, I might add. And in the scheme of things the amount was small. So far only a few hundred million has been paid.

Compare that to the £58 *billion* Labour is waving around to bribe the WASPI voters. Completely un-costed, thrown in on a whim.

Fucking cheek is a speciality of yours it seems.

Depends on where your moral compass points to, I guess.

I'm concerned that the money used to secure a vote could have gone to improving security of the nation, for one, could have changed things for someone/ saved a life is my thinking.

You're STILL on about a 'strong economy' to do what improving the security of the nation??

Laughable and the difference in our thinking is STARK!!
 
Well you are wrong - it is that simple. Labour introduced a policy that let dangerous criminals out automatically after serving half of their time. That is a fact. Spout all the shite you want it is really that simple. But for that Policy this horrendous event would not have happened.
So they have been in power for ten years, yet it's Labours fault? How does that even make sense?
 
No, it doesn't. However, Labour (Yvette Cooper) started it.

IMO, it would have been better if the Tories had simply risen above it and said "If Labour want to try to make political capital out of the terrible events of Friday, then they can do so alone and the voters can judge them for it."

So, why are they scrambling to place blame on Labour when they could have easily reviewed the system?

10 years to do so. This guy's sentence was REDUCED even under Tory governance.

Why no role for a parole board for a convicted, self admitted terrorist?

This has nothing to do with Labour as the CURRENT Chief Justice can review all theses things and Buckland failed to do so for 10 years.
 
So they have been in power for ten years, yet it's Labours fault? How does that even make sense?

It is no-ones fault, even if he had been locked up for another 20 years he still could of walked out and done the exact same thing.

The sentence timing isn't the problem here, the problem is why did he want to get out of prison and murder people.
 
I’m going with no as the answer to the above.

There was no reference to reviewing sentencing guidelines or implementing better monitoring measures etc in the recent Queen’s Speech that Johnson deemed so necessary either. Can’t imagine why he was suddenly all over the attack. Maybe there is an election on.


Fully explained on Radio Live 5 this morning on the Emma Barnett show. Bloke who did the review into terrorists being kept in prison reported

1) They cannot be rehabilitated if there are insufficient prison officers to get them to and from the sessions (same applies to young kids locked up at Feltham who cant read and write)
2) He warned against the cutting of Indeterminate Prison sentences being dropped in relation to terrorists.
3) He warned against the lack of expertise on Parole boards and called for an expert panel to be set up to handle Terrorists.
4) He warned against a privatised probation service being used to monitor terrorists

The Tories did nothing.....
 

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