General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Vic]

They will get the money from the same places all Govts get their money, borrowing and tax increases. Local Govt can’t keep squeezing it out of council tax and it certainly won’t help with social care which the Tories have punted into the long grass of a commission so they can avoid any hard decisions. Cutting nearly a quarter from local Govt with costs and social care rising and no plans to redress it in the future is going to end in tears.

Factor in Brexit sucking the life blood out of us in costs and political bandwidth then you begin to understand why the Tory manifesto is light on detail.

Not saying Labour is the answer to all this - their manifesto is not focused and is incoherent - but burying our head in the sands or rabbiting on about Corbyn, or even Johnson for that matter, isn’t the answer.

You can't keep squeezing it out of council tax because the Tories cap council tax increases. So the ever-rising cost of social care takes more council expenditure and you lose libraries, bus services, park rangers, road repairs, pencils in schools, flowers on roundabouts (see Bill Bryson), and Tory councils go bust in the expectation that they will be bailed out by the Tory government.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I'd rather not have to.



What on earth was the point of posting that? That a random writer from a lefty rag like the Guardian thinks we should look at how franchises are awarded? So what???

This does not change the FACT that were the government to cut rail fares by 33%, then the entire industry would run at an enormous loss. Un-nationalised, the franchisee would just go bust, pure and simple. Nationalised then the government would have to pump BILLIONS of more funding in, BILLIONS.

Yet another UN-COSTED spending commitment for which there is no explanation how it would be funded.

Only thick people will not spot the flaw in this latest Labour random bribe.

We are pumping billions in now (£3.5 billion in 2015)

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

A coalition will be extremely difficult for Labour because the power is shifting now to a two party race where the Tories will likely be the largest party.

The Lib Dems have collapsed and the Greens etc are doing no better than they usually do.

The key for Corbyn is the SNP but that will surely have to mean Scottish independence and Sturgeon will demand an indy referendum before any EU referendum.

We could have a situation where Labour are in coalition with the SNP, Scotland leaves and that gives the Tories a majority!

Not what she said on the radio yesterday...... the right to hold an Indy ref yes ...... but at the request of the population only...... gET THE tories out, resolve Brexit , remove Trident and there would be no cry for another referendum

 

[Ban-jani]

Can you show me evidence in the video that the two talking were not who they claimed?

Thanks.

The poster who you quoted was quoting the other video you posted. The man in it was Michael Walker who is a leading member of Momentum.

Ironically, he also did a video for momentum members to call on them not to be antisemitic any more.

As I’ve said, you’ve lost your head and don’t know what you’re doing anymore.

 

[stonerblue]

I'd rather not have to.



What on earth was the point of posting that? That a random writer from a lefty rag like the Guardian thinks we should look at how franchises are awarded? So what???

This does not change the FACT that were the government to cut rail fares by 33%, then the entire industry would run at an enormous loss. Un-nationalised, the franchisee would just go bust, pure and simple. Nationalised then the government would have to pump BILLIONS of more funding in, BILLIONS.

Yet another UN-COSTED spending commitment for which there is no explanation how it would be funded.

Only thick people will not spot the flaw in this latest Labour random bribe.

Showing you how the taxpayer is already propping up private firms. And cut out the personal insults.

 

[mcfc1632]

Not what she said on the radio yesterday...... the right to hold an Indy ref yes ...... but at the request of the population only...... gET THE tories out, resolve Brexit , remove Trident and there would be no cry for another referendum

What???

You’re suggesting that the SNP would not insist on a referendum - and you believe that?

 

[mcfc1632]

The poster who you quoted you was quoting the other video you posted. The man in it was Michael Walker who is a leading member of Momentum.

Ironically, he also did a video for momentum members to call on them not to be antisemitic any more.

As I’ve said, you’ve lost your head and don’t know what you’re doing anymore.

I am not sure that last statement is credible as it would suggest that he ever did.

He has been on a WUM campaign since he appeared - a very obvious one

 

[George Hannah]

George, I find that hard to believe. Even the most reactionary Labour party member I've ever met had a least a scintilla of progressive politics about him, you? You make the Borgias look like pinko commies.

The reactionaries are Corbyn, McDonnell, McCluskey, Milne et al. I thought we'd seen them off along with Militant many years ago but they're back and in full control. For them it's first and foremost about revenge on the Blairites - reviving their dangerous class war is just an added bonus.

 

[Bigga]

The poster who you quoted was quoting the other video you posted. The man in it was Michael Walker who is a leading member of Momentum.

Ironically, he also did a video for momentum members to call on them not to be antisemitic any more.

As I’ve said, you’ve lost your head and don’t know what you’re doing anymore.

I'll reply ONCE to you today.

What question did the man ask that was a 'tricky' question? Was it a 'gotcha' or a to collect a viewpoint? He sounded people out, listened and asked a question.

Seemed pretty objective to me, but you lot focused on the MAN not the video clip.

It's fairly typical that right wingers are not objective, but look for any way to spoil the subject matter.

Keep on with your blinkered ways of blaming everyone else and not wanting to help the great society we live in.

The next generation will see you lot out.

That's you done for today.

 

[jollylescott]

I know it’s impertinent to speak as an Aussie, but even from 12,000 miles away it’s bleeding obvious that the Tories need to be tossed out.

Come on City supporters! Rally around anyone but the Tories!

 

[Bigga]

Because of the scorn and bitterness evident in your earlier post?:

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No capital letters, no bold or underlining as I would do.

Picture of calm, but you'll interpret it from what you want to perceive.

So the question is...

Does he have a point...?

 

[Ban-jani]

I'll reply ONCE to you today.

What question did the man ask that was a 'tricky' question? Was it a 'gotcha' or a to collect a viewpoint? He sounded people out, listened and asked a question.

Seemed pretty objective to me, but you lot focused on the MAN not the video clip.

It's fairly typical that right wingers are not objective, but look for any way to spoil the subject matter.

Keep on with your blinkered ways of blaming everyone else and not wanting to help the great society we live in.

The next generation will see you lot out.

That's you done for today.

Haha. No you complete ding bat. You’ve got your videos mixed up and you’re still not realising.

Someone criticised your 2nd video, which is Michael Walker, a leader within Momentum, interviewing people in the City of London and you’ve started banging on about medical professionals.

Which generation? I’m 27 ffs

 

[lancs blue]

Actually you'd expect it to go up if the myths about the extent of power cuts was anything like reality.)

Power cuts in '79? I don't recall any, it was the binmen's strike that got the headlines with rubbish piling up, and gravediggers rings a bell too.

Serious power cuts were in '72 and '74, strikes by miners and power station workers.

 

[George Hannah]

That's the question. The rest of the blog is just pragmatic about the chance of "transformative" action.

According to McDonnell their current leadership see "a transformative, some would say revolutionary party, aiming at the radical replacement of the existing economic and social system." If they gain power they will implement a programme of spending and asset appropriation on an unprecedented scale which will quickly destroy our wealth creation base.

 

[Bigga]

The reactionaries are Corbyn, McDonnell, McCluskey, Milne et al. I thought we'd seen them off along with Militant many years ago but they're back and in full control. For them it's first and foremost about revenge on the Blairites - reviving their dangerous class war is just an added bonus.

What you're seeing is a party trying redress the balance in society. Give us our working and living pride. Being paid what we're worth and trying to get the corporation boot off our collective necks.

Over 10 years of bad management of being squeezed, systematically, of any real money to spend. Bills, energy and food rises, more people homeless and where are the '250,000 homes' that have been promised to be built under the Con gov? Why are more people going to food banks? Why are more children being forced into poverty?
Where the nurses? Where the doctors? Where are the police? Why is crime up? What's happened to social care? Why no investment in skills for young people?

Your answer? Brexit and 'a strong economy'.

10 years of doing nothing but play economic games when society could be invested in.

It's tiring and the Tories have Conned the public again.

 

[Ban-jani]

What you're seeing is a party trying redress the balance in society. Give us our working and living pride. Being paid what we're worth and trying to get the corporation boot off our collective necks.

Over 10 years of bad management of being squeezed, systematically, of any real money to spend. Bills, energy and food rises, more people homeless and where are the '250,000 homes' that have been promised to be built under the Con gov? Why are more people going to food banks? Why are more children being forced into poverty?
Where the nurses? Where the doctors? Where are the police? Why is crime up? What's happened to social care? Why no investment in skills for young people?

Your answer? Brexit and 'a strong economy'.

10 years of doing nothing but play economic games when society could be invested in.

It's tiring and the Tories have Conned the public again.

It’s almost as if the Tories stood on manifestos of austerity and tough measures and the public voted for it, imagine that.

I personally didn’t, I voted for Ed Miliband’s Labour in 2015 but the country voted for a period of austerity to get the deficit down.

It’s almost as if there was a referendum on EU membership and the public voted for that too.

One thing I’ve learned recently is to accept things that don’t go my way when we’re voting in a democracy, I suggest you do the same.

 

[Bigga]

Haha. No you complete ding bat. You’ve got your videos mixed up and you’re still not realising.

Someone criticised your 2nd video, which is Michael Walker, a leader within Momentum, interviewing people in the City of London and you’ve started banging on about medical professionals.

Which generation? I’m 27 ffs

 

[Ban-jani]

Oh Jesus wept.

What’s the old saying about it being harder to argue with an idiot?

You’ve got mixed up with who you’re speaking with, I never mentioned a “tricky question”.

Seriously it’s getting to the point that I’m beginning to worry for you.

 

[BlueAnorak]

That drop in five years? Does not seem credible.

They've recalculated because of the relentless increase in obesity rates and its connections to diabetes and alzheimer's (the latter newly discovered) and the lack of any new antibiotics on the horizon.

 

[George Hannah]

What you're seeing is a party trying redress the balance in society. Give us our working and living pride. Being paid what we're worth and trying to get the corporation boot off our collective necks. Over 10 years of bad management of being squeezed, systematically, of any real money to spend. Bills, energy and food rises, more people homeless and where are the '250,000 homes' that have been promised to be built under the Con gov? Why are more people going to food banks? Why are more children being forced into poverty? Where the nurses? Where the doctors? Where are the police? Why is crime up? What's happened to social care? Why no investment in skills for young people? Your answer? Brexit and 'a strong economy'. 10 years of doing nothing but play economic games when society could be invested in. It's tiring and the Tories have Conned the public again.

If you read my posts you would see I have never supported the Tories and think remaining inside the EU is preferable to the current economically damaging Brexit deal together with its inevitable crash out FTA. The Labour Party indeed offers a transformative manifesto promising many social improvements and a fairer society few would object to. Sadly they are also trying to deceive the electorate into believing their programme can be carried out by only taxing the excessively rich and by sustainable borrowing. The reality is the exact reverse and given the chance they will use this country as yet another exercise in vivisection for the failed Marxist experiment.