General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Mike D]

Those papers all owned by working class people whom have no axe to grind.

Indeed it's like having a pint a fag with that man of the people Farage when you read one of them.

 

[Metal Biker]

People seem to forget that Portugal is a socialist country. Their economy isn't too shabby either.

Social Democracy, not Democratic Socialist.

Big difference.

 

[blueinsa]

Why do you right wingers

Why do you continue to do this?

You all do it, its such a huge mistake.

 

[Metal Biker]

Why do you continue to do this?

You all do it, its such a huge mistake.

Not only do they continue to "slur" people incorrectly as right-wing, they continue to see all right-wing politics as something heinous.

Then they ask the question "why aren't we winning in the polls!?"

 

[Fame Monster]

If only it was as easy as voting for Labour meant no poverty, no hunger, no unemployment, no one on welfare, no one waiting for treatment, no one homeless etc etc.

All of the above would still be visible in our society and worse still, when the bill has to be picked up from a frankly reckless spending plan they will get worse.

A Venezuela model might sound great but when you look at Venezuela the reality of just how shit it is is rammed home.

Corbyn and McDonnell saying they care doesnt wash either when the above affects you as neither of those two will ever have to face the harsh realities of what their policies and ideology mean for millions.

Harsh truth is fuck all of note will change for the vast majority of us until such a time we all wake up and demand a change to the way our votes count.

That's quite an important point.

People rightly criticise the Tories for being out of touch and not realising how bad things are for some people in this country but Corbyn and Mcdonnell are equally insulated from the negative effects of their policies.

Do two 70 year old men really give a fuck how much debt future generations will be paying back as a result of their borrowing? I don't think they do. I think they just want to see their utopian ideologies enacted no matter the cost.

 

[meltonblue]

The issue is that in being so against the others position, both sides have become even more entrenched in their sides. Personally, I would like our society to adopt some of the learnings of the Scandinavian countries and how they adapted to allow for free market economics alongside a generous welfare state. It won’t happen with our current attitude to tax though and it also relies on less government intervention than Labour want.

 

[Fame Monster]

Why do you right wingers always pick Venezuela is that the only socialist country that you know ?

You need to get out more because Portugal, Spain and Denmark all have socialist leaders. France is spending much more than we are on public services and Germany has bigger share than public ownership than we do.

Its like me saying if you vote Johnson he is going to bring us Saudia Arabian style rule!!

I'd love to see us have a similar spending model as France (as long as the money is spent wisely) but we need to have the tax take to match or nearly match in my view.

But the reality is that the money won't be spent wisely under Corbyn (millionaire pensioner benefits, 60bill on WASPI women) nor will we have the tax take to match under the current tax plans. We will just be left with massive amounts of debt.

 

[abu13]

Does anyone actually believe a word out of Trump's mouth?

 

[Metal Biker]

The issue is that in being so against the others position, both sides have become even more entrenched in their sides. Personally, I would like our society to adopt some of the learnings of the Scandinavian countries and how they adapted to allow for free market economics alongside a generous welfare state. It won’t happen with our current attitude to tax though and it also relies on less government intervention than Labour want.

So long as the public keeps voting in one extreme or the other, Tory or Labour, we won't see the Nordic Model being implemented here.

We were getting close with New Labour and small 'c' Conservatives under Cameron and Blair, but we're a nation of extreme opposites now.

 

[hilts]

I will just leave this here. I ask to just think a little in between all the petty sneering and squabbling about politics and just for one second think about what matters most to you. I looked at this and it’s haunted me since I’ve seen it. I can’t simply just forget this is happening and it could just as easily happen to any of us.

If They wanna tax me and my family extra to pay for this I’m happy to let them. If our money is spent on the things that matter like poverty and healthcare then I will sleep better for it

I hate a heart string puller you bugger.

Good post

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

A Venezuelan works for our company.

5 minutes with her, going through details of growing up and having to leave the country will totally change anyone’s mind on socialism.

She fucking despises Corbyn and McDonnell.

Venezuala?
This is not an opinion just trying to add some context; the UK's public sector total spending to GDP was last recorded at 39.9 percent of GDP in 2018-19 fiscal year. Government Spending to GDP in the United Kingdom averaged 39.67 percent from 1956 until 2019, reaching an all time high of 46.60 percent in 2010 and a record low of 34.60 percent in 1989. Corbyn is propsong it rises to 45-46%, about the same as Germany, less than the Euro area in general and about 10 points less than France.

This bit is an opinion: Where he is undoubtedly taking a risk is with the speed of increase and bringing this in over 10 years might have been somewhat more prudent.

 

[mcfc1632]

Continue with the memes, you’re showing the entire forum your level.

That was demonstrated some time ago TBF

 

[purplenose]

I've wanted this option for years. "Spoiling ballots" just doesn't cut it.

I agree it would be very interesting indeed were there such an option.

Furthermore I would bring in the rule that if such a category got a majority, the fucking lot of them could be removed from politics and a new lot brought in.

 

[Metal Biker]

I agree it would be very interesting indeed were there such an option.

Furthermore I would bring in the rule that if such a category got a majority, the fucking lot of them could be removed from politics and a new lot brought in.

Most people tend to disregard the number of spoiled ballots and the motivation behind doing so, after all.

But an official "none of the above" option sends a much more powerful and obvious statement. It'd highlight the number of voters any of the parties failed to reach and hopefully have them think more broadly about what they have to offer.

and fuck the fixed term parliament act.

 

[bobmcfc]

I hate a heart string puller you bugger.

Good post

I’ve thought of little else since I saw it. Sunken eyes, pale skin. You can see he’s suffering the affects of malnutrition

 

[purplenose]

Very much this.

I am shocked and confused to be honest. I thought there was a reasonable amount of intelligence in the British public however this really does not tally given that millions will be voting for these evil institutions that are Labour and Tory.

Laughable that people are calling out Boris (quite rightly) and indeed Jeremy Corbyn (also quite right) yet will then trot off next week and vote for the one they havent been slagging off. The only justification in doing so being either because they think the one they are voting for will be least worse....what a load of bollocks dont be so thick. Either get in and we are fucked as a country, just imagine the utter balls either will make of things over as much as five years.

Alas sheep will be sheep and both Jeremy and Boris are very happy that is the case.

 

[George Hannah]

And you think Trump's pooch is gonna lead us on to great things!!

Do you really think seeing Corbyn's crew in their true colours means supporting BoJo?

 

[BlueAnorak]

I do pity those who believes a serial liar like Johnson who repeats the same lies and uses the death of terrorist attack as a political stunt to smear the opposition.

All politicians lie. Here are some belters.

 

[Ban-jani]

Venezuala?
This is not an opinion just trying to add some context; the UK's public sector total spending to GDP was last recorded at 39.9 percent of GDP in 2018-19 fiscal year. Government Spending to GDP in the United Kingdom averaged 39.67 percent from 1956 until 2019, reaching an all time high of 46.60 percent in 2010 and a record low of 34.60 percent in 1989. Corbyn is propsong it rises to 45-46%, about the same as Germany, less than the Euro area in general and about 10 points less than France.

This bit is an opinion: Where he is undoubtedly taking a risk is with the speed of increase and bringing this in over 10 years might have been somewhat more prudent.

Oh listen I completely agree that if Corbyn’s manifesto transforms the country right this second that what we’d get isn’t the same as Venezuela but Labour’s first 5 years is only the beginning of the transformation, as always in within politics. You rarely don’t have a much longer term plan and I actually didn’t mind Labour’s last manifesto, prior to this one, as it represented a much slower change, when we’d then be able to vote them out if it didn’t work.

The trouble with comparing it to Germany is our economy is totally different. Let’s be honest we’re a financial services world centre, with low tax in that area. We don’t manufacture like the German economy and if we were to raise taxes and transform shareholder relationships, as they do there, we’d suddenly become very uncompetitive.

As you say Corbyn’s policy is far too sharp and very off putting to business, whilst there are severe question marks over where they’re getting the money from, which won’t just be the top 5%.

For the record I’m socially Conservative and quite moderate economically, the two often get mixed up.

 

[west didsblue]

Oh listen I completely agree that if Corbyn’s manifesto transforms the country right this second that what we’d get isn’t the same as Venezuela but Labour’s first 5 years is only the beginning of the transformation, as always in within politics. You rarely don’t have a much longer term plan and I actually didn’t mind Labour’s last manifesto, prior to this one, as it represented a much slower change, when we’d then be able to vote them out if it didn’t work.

The trouble with comparing it to Germany is our economy is totally different. Let’s be honest we’re a financial services world centre, with low tax in that area. We don’t manufacture like the German economy and if we were to raise taxes and transform shareholder relationships, as they do there, we’d suddenly become very uncompetitive.

As you say Corbyn’s policy is far too sharp and very off putting to business, whilst there are severe question marks over where they’re getting the money from, which won’t just be the top 5%.

For the record I’m socially Conservative and quite moderate economically, the two often get mixed up.

We won't be a financial services world centre following a Johnson Brexit. The FTA most likely to be agreed in the short timescale available is likely to be a simple goods only one. Investors have little need to worry because the financial services companies will have detailed contingency plans to move operations out of the UK, so the losers won't be the FS industry and investors, it will be the UK due to the much reduced tax paid to HMRC. For that reason, a Johnson government successful in the delivering the version of Brexit that he has promised will do more damage to the UK than a Corbyn government. On the plus side, I doubt Johnson will deliver on his promises so we'll end up in transition for the foreseeable future.