General Election - December 12th, 2019

[mat]

Never trust a Tory.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

All politicians lie. Here are some belters.

That's been up many times, yet all we ever hear is 'liar Johnson,' which is about as effective as a glass hammer.

 

[west didsblue]

Never trust a Tory.

We were told Brexit would make imports cheaper because of our ability to make our own deals.
Who'd have guessed it was a lie.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Both Tory and Labour are a catastrophe of biblical proportions in waiting. That is a fact they are both infested with serial liars and fools.

Meanwhile millions argue which is better....here is the answer. Neither of them. Which ever is in No10 at Xmas will do nothing more than take the country to unimaginable depths. I wont endorse that and am astonished so many will vote for these fools, thus we will get exactly what we deserve and its not going to be good.

Whilst I agree with the thrust of what you’ve posted I cannot accept that the people of this country ‘deserve’ either of the above based on the lack of choice on offer, based around the racket that is our utterly wank electoral system.

 

[Ban-jani]

We won't be a financial services world centre following a Johnson Brexit. The FTA most likely to be agreed in the short timescale available is likely to be a simple goods only one. Investors have little need to worry because the financial services companies will have detailed contingency plans to move operations out of the UK, so the losers won't be the FS industry and investors, it will be the UK due to the much reduced tax paid to HMRC. For that reason, a Johnson government successful in the delivering the version of Brexit that he has promised will do more damage to the UK than a Corbyn government. On the plus side, I doubt Johnson will deliver on his promises so we'll end up in transition for the foreseeable future.

Brexit will certainly be detrimental to our services sector but at this moment in time we have absolutely no idea what will be involved.

There has never been a position in which a member of the EU has negotiated with them from a position of membership and so the time scales we normally stick to aren’t really relevant.

We also have an extension option 6 months in if we’ve got nowhere.

What I totally disagree with is the Johnson Brexit being more detrimental to our business sector than a Corbyn lead government. Corbyn is set to spend over 3 times more in 2/3’s of the time, while make sweeping transformations in shareholder relationships with organisations and will do so whilst increasing corporation tax to the highest level in the G7, in a very short space of time.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

There are several drugs that the yanks have a complete monopoly on production.

there is no where else to buy them.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The vitriol at Corbyn aimed by a couple of posters on here reminds me of the boy at school who fancied a girl and would rather slag her off than admit their true feelings.

It's nothing to be ashamed of chaps. Be honest with yourselves as you see something positive in him you wish you had.

Wanker!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Never trust a Tory.

Never believe shit on Twitter, in what universe would a British PM agree to paying about 20 times the going rate for
no benefit whatsoever? Selling the NHS would mean the seller out on his ear within a fortnight, it really is desperate stuff this,
every day we're hearing ever more hysterical shit, embellished with yet another few dozen billions thrown around at
random in a frantic last chance dance.
At least next week will be a laugh one way or the other.

 

[west didsblue]

Brexit will certainly be detrimental to our services sector but at this moment in time we have absolutely no idea what will be involved.

There has never been a position in which a member of the EU has negotiated with them from a position of membership and so the time scales we normally stick to aren’t really relevant.

We also have an extension option 6 months in if we’ve got nowhere.

What I totally disagree with is the Johnson Brexit being more detrimental to our business sector than a Corbyn lead government. Corbyn is set to spend over 3 times more in 2/3’s of the time, while make sweeping transformations in shareholder relationships with organisations and will do so whilst increasing corporation tax to the highest level in the G7, in a very short space of time.

If Johnson achieves his stated aim of ending transition by the end of 2020, that would be more damaging than anything unless he backs down and agrees a SM/CU arrangement with the EU which he politically can't do.
The good news is that he'll fail. Imo.

 

[meltonblue]

So long as the public keeps voting in one extreme or the other, Tory or Labour, we won't see the Nordic Model being implemented here.

We were getting close with New Labour and small 'c' Conservatives under Cameron and Blair, but we're a nation of extreme opposites now.

Completely agree and it’s a real shame for me. Can’t see anyone filling that gap any time soon as it will need one of the two of them to shift, it won’t come from elsewhere I don’t think.

 

[meltonblue]

Whilst I agree with the thrust of what you’ve posted I cannot accept that the people of this country ‘deserve’ either of the above based on the lack of choice on offer, based around the racket that is our utterly wank electoral system.

We as an electorate did have a vote on that though, to be fair

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

We as an electorate did have a vote on that though, to be fair

That’s the end of that then, I guess.

 

[BlueAnorak]

We were told Brexit would make imports cheaper because of our ability to make our own deals.
Who'd have guessed it was a lie.

Strangely, the US already sells us 50% of our cancer drugs. Post Brexit, If US drug manufacturers discount so their other drugs are as cheap as we can get them elsewhere then we can buy them too.
One things for sure, it's not going to cost the UK anymore than we pay now!

 

[Ban-jani]

If Johnson achieves his stated aim of ending transition by the end of 2020, that would be more damaging than anything unless he backs down and agrees a SM/CU arrangement with the EU which he politically can't do.
The good news is that he'll fail. Imo.

That’s a possibility but as I say I don’t think we can genuinely begin to predict as we’re starting at the opposite end of trade agreement negotiations.

I don’t believe either party would put in a 12 month period without believing they will get what they want out of it.

 

[BlueAnorak]

My goodness. Corbyn actually apologised for Labour antisemitism this morning. I can only think the polling numbers (for him not to do so) were REALLY bad.

 

[Ban-jani]

Never believe shit on Twitter, in what universe would a British PM agree to paying about 20 times the going rate for
no benefit whatsoever? Selling the NHS would mean the seller out on his ear within a fortnight, it really is desperate stuff this,
every day we're hearing ever more hysterical shit, embellished with yet another few dozen billions thrown around at
random in a frantic last chance dance.
At least next week will be a laugh one way or the other.

The shit throwing contest is going on from all sides to be fair.

The NHS stuff from the left is so transparent it’s almost condescending.

 

[purplenose]

Whilst I agree with the thrust of what you’ve posted I cannot accept that the people of this country ‘deserve’ either of the above based on the lack of choice on offer, based around the racket that is our utterly wank electoral system.

If they vote for them then they get exactly what they voted for.

The Tory voters will largely justify their vote with Brexit. This despite there being only a cosmetic Brexit that will quickly turn into a economic and social catastrophe from which we will not recover. An NHS that is on the edge of collapse will be destroyed. Workers rights will be abolished, immigration will no different because the rich Tories want more of it. I am a leaver but not under Boris.

As for Labour things may improve for the sick and disabled and the NHS maybe fare better. Apart from that its an unthinkable abomination what they would do to the country, a nightmare come to life if ever their was one.

There is truly not a fag papers difference in how appalling these parties are. There really is no excuse or sane reason for voting for either.

 

[mat]

Wanker!

Solosexual and proud.

 

[Bigga]

Corbyn: "When I came into the Labour Party, there were no systems in place to deal with antisemitism. Since I became leader, there have been"

Labour didn't need to have any systems in place before you became leader because the antisemitism was non-existance in Labour. He created his own problem and is now trying to claim credit for "dealing with it". It should never have arisen as a problem to be dealt with in the first place.

It's been acknowledged that a lot of these happened pre-Corbyn.

You won't take it in, won't believe it so, really, there's no point showing you.

 

[meltonblue]

That’s the end of that then, I guess.

I certainly hope not! I was just saying that in terms of the electorate not being blameless.