General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
I’m genuinely wondering @Ancient Citizen what would you say were the reasons for keeping FPTP, other than it’s what we’ve deployed since the 19th century.
Fair point Gord, this system, yes we've had it for a long time, has broadly served us well, and there was a referendum on AV,
which, although not exactly the same, was roundly rejected. If you live in an area and you want the candidate from party X to
represent you, if that party/candidate wins, then you have your wish granted, if we had PR, candidates from Q,Y & Z, they
get influence proportionate to their votes, thereby diluting considerably, the effect the overall winner has in effecting his policies.
What follows is an ineffectual wishy washy governance that slows down policies people voted for.
All my opinion, of course, but the people who agitate for PR are always from parties, some, like the Greens, that
have very little overall support, so obviously, a chance of something rather that perpetually nothing, is attractive to
them.
 
Not to NHS workers (and in the health sector generally). They're nearly all voting Labour. They know.

Make that anyone in the "caring professions". Maybe the bosses vote Tory but they are the few.

My boss is a former healthcare professional and his wife is a nurse in the NHS.

They’ve never voted Labour and won’t be doing.

I’m sure many will because Labour have just promised infinite investment and will have caught a few with the privatisation fib.
 
Not to mention leaving the EU on 31st October DO OR DIE.
Labour stopped it from happening. THEIR fault. They want to Remain with or without a vote on the EU council.
In which case he should have said - We will leave the EU on 31st October DO OR DIE as long as Labour don't stop us.
He didn't so his original statement stands.
The Lesson being - don't try to sound tough by making promises you can't keep, otherwise you end up looking like a richard head.
You dig?
 
Fair point Gord, this system, yes we've had it for a long time, has broadly served us well, and there was a referendum on AV,
which, although not exactly the same, was roundly rejected. If you live in an area and you want the candidate from party X to
represent you, if that party/candidate wins, then you have your wish granted, if we had PR, candidates from Q,Y & Z, they
get influence proportionate to their votes, thereby diluting considerably, the effect the overall winner has in effecting his policies.
What follows is an ineffectual wishy washy governance that slows down policies people voted for.
All my opinion, of course, but the people who agitate for PR are always from parties, some, like the Greens, that
have very little overall support, so obviously, a chance of something rather that perpetually nothing, is attractive to
them.
Except FPTP delivers a government always supported by a minority.
In 2005 for example only 1 in 3 voters put Labour in power, and this was 1 in 5 when all eligible voters were included.
As a result people feel effectively disenfranchised particularly those who live in 'safe seats'.
 
Mate, that is it in a nutshell. You can do that in two ways, by restricting ‘greenhouse’ gases - there are differing views on how quickly should be done. And by mitigating them, increasing carbon ‘drains’, for example the rainforest is a ‘drain’ that is getting smaller because of deforestation. The various parties all have targets for attaining carbon zero. I think the most aggressive is 2030 and the least 2050. The NASA science I referenced says...

The planet's average surface temperature has risen about 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit (0.9 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere.4 Most of the warming occurred in the past 35 years, with the five warmest years on record taking place since 2010. Not only was 2016 the warmest year on record, but eight of the 12 months that make up the year — from January through September, with the exception of June — were the warmest on record for those respective months.
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost an average of 286 billion tons of ice per year between 1993 and 2016, while Antarctica lost about 127 billion tons of ice per year during the same time period. The rate of Antarctica ice mass loss has tripled in the last decade.

Global sea level has risen by about 8 inches since reliable record keeping began in 1880. It is projected to rise another 1 to 4 feet by 2100. This is the result of added water from melting land ice and the expansion of seawater as it warms.

In the next several decades, storm surges and high tides could combine with sea level rise and land subsidence to further increase flooding in many regions. Sea level rise will continue past 2100 because the oceans take a very long time to respond to warmer conditions at the Earth’s surface. Ocean waters will therefore continue to warm and sea level will continue to rise for many centuries at rates equal to or higher than those of the current century.

There are various studies that show the consequences of sea level rises on human habitation and it is likely that rising sea levels will cause the migration of many millions. Poor Venice!
All very worrying, Greta Thunberg needs to take all extinction rebellion members over to China on a raft and get them to glue
themselves to the first trains and buildings they encounter.
Action is needed now.
 
Caveat: Venice isn't sinking because of rising tides. It's not helping obviously, but Venice has been disappearing primarily due to the sodden foundations the city was built on. It's literally sinking into the mud and nobody knows how to stop it. Climate change or no, Venice is doomed and has been for a long time.
It's built in a lagoon onto piles driven into the sea bed, for years there have been warnings about it.
 
Conservatives pledge 4.2bn for local trains, buses and trams.
Fantastic Jeff!
Oh hang on Gary:
It won't be available till 2022
Right.
It's spread over five years.
I see.
Local authorities have to bid for the cash and put up some themselves.
źzzzzzzzzzz.....
 
i think you'll find thats incorrect .... also if its Tory policy why isn't it in their manifesto and why haven't they done it ....... they've had nearly 10 years .
It's quite incredible how the conservatives still blame a government from 10 years ago for issues that happen now.
They're essentially admitting they're massively ineffective at getting things done and effecting change in the way they'd like.
 
Voting Intentions 28-29 Nov, 2-3 Dec

YouGov
Con 42%
Lab 33%
Lib 12%

ICM
Con 42%
Lab 35%
Lib 13%

Kantar
Con 44%
Lab 32%
Lib 15%

Deltapoll
Con 45%
Lab 32%
Lib 15%

Opinium
Con 46%
Lab 31%
Lib 13%

BMG
Con 39%
Lab 33%
Lib 13%

ComRes
Con 43%
Lab 33%
Lib 13%

Panelbase
Con 42%
Lab 34%
Lib 13%

Survation (phone)
Con 42%
Lab 33%
Lib 11%

YouGov (MRP)
Con 43%
Lab 32%
Lib 14%

Ipsos-MORI
Con 44%
Lab 28%
Lib 16%

Survation (online)
Con 35%
Lab 29%
Lib 17%

Conservatives slightly increasing their lead in some polls, Labour clawing back in others. One constant appears to be that the Liberal Democrat vote is tanking.
 
It's quite incredible how the conservatives still blame a government from 10 years ago for issues that happen now.
They're essentially admitting they're massively ineffective at getting things done and effecting change in the way they'd like.
Yep.
They're very good at conning people though to think otherwise with a lot of help from their friends in the media and the establishment.
Worth noting that the current crisis we're in is entirely due to a Tory PM calling a referendum to sort out a problem within his own party and yet........
 
Voting Intentions 2-3 Dec

YouGov
Con 42%
Lab 33%
Lib 12%

ICM
Con 42%
Lab 35%
Lib 13%

Kantar
Con 44%
Lab 32%
Lib 15%

Deltapoll
Con 45%
Lab 32%
Lib 15%

Opinium
Con 46%
Lab 31%
Lib 13%

BMG
Con 39%
Lab 33%
Lib 13%

ComRes
Con 43%
Lab 33%
Lib 13%

Panelbase
Con 42%
Lab 34%
Lib 13%

Survation (phone)
Con 42%
Lab 33%
Lib 11%

YouGov (MRP)
Con 43%
Lab 32%
Lib 14%

Ipsos-MORI
Con 44%
Lab 28%
Lib 16%

Survation (online)
Con 35%
Lab 29%
Lib 17%

Conservatives slightly increasing their lead in some polls, Labour clawing back in others. One constant appears to be that the Liberal Democrat vote is tanking.
Interesting that the difference is a lot smaller on an online poll than a landline one
 
Voting Intentions 2-3 Dec

YouGov
Con 42%
Lab 33%
Lib 12%

ICM
Con 42%
Lab 35%
Lib 13%

Kantar
Con 44%
Lab 32%
Lib 15%

Deltapoll
Con 45%
Lab 32%
Lib 15%

Opinium
Con 46%
Lab 31%
Lib 13%

BMG
Con 39%
Lab 33%
Lib 13%

ComRes
Con 43%
Lab 33%
Lib 13%

Panelbase
Con 42%
Lab 34%
Lib 13%

Survation (phone)
Con 42%
Lab 33%
Lib 11%

YouGov (MRP)
Con 43%
Lab 32%
Lib 14%

Ipsos-MORI
Con 44%
Lab 28%
Lib 16%

Survation (online)
Con 35%
Lab 29%
Lib 17%

Conservatives slightly increasing their lead in some polls, Labour clawing back in others. One constant appears to be that the Liberal Democrat vote is tanking.
OK mate stop getting excited and put it away now.
 
OK mate stop getting excited and put it away now.
If that's what you've taken from the poll that's on you. I'm just posting an update, what with the vote being just over a week away.
 
Interesting that the difference is a lot smaller on an online poll than a landline one
On the online poll 10% was for the Brexit Party. Granted, the online poll was made a month ago. Hasn't appeared to have been updated.

Con 35%
Lab 29%
Lib 17%
Gre 1%
BXP 10%
 
Voting Intentions 28-29 Nov, 2-3 Dec

YouGov
Con 42%
Lab 33%
Lib 12%

ICM
Con 42%
Lab 35%
Lib 13%

Kantar
Con 44%
Lab 32%
Lib 15%

Deltapoll
Con 45%
Lab 32%
Lib 15%

Opinium
Con 46%
Lab 31%
Lib 13%

BMG
Con 39%
Lab 33%
Lib 13%

ComRes
Con 43%
Lab 33%
Lib 13%

Panelbase
Con 42%
Lab 34%
Lib 13%

Survation (phone)
Con 42%
Lab 33%
Lib 11%

YouGov (MRP)
Con 43%
Lab 32%
Lib 14%

Ipsos-MORI
Con 44%
Lab 28%
Lib 16%

Survation (online)
Con 35%
Lab 29%
Lib 17%

Conservatives slightly increasing their lead in some polls, Labour clawing back in others. One constant appears to be that the Liberal Democrat vote is tanking.
You say tanking, but isn't it still much higher than 2017, not sure what that will mean for seats but must have some influence.
 
You say tanking, but isn't it still much higher than 2017, not sure what that will mean for seats but must have some influence.
It was previously polling around 17-19%. Now it's 13% on average after a couple of weeks. That's tanking.

Don't forget, the Lib Dems were going to form a Government according to Swinson.
 

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