Also those previous posts from the hard-left representatives about the Tories blaming the previous Labour government simply deny the truth that they have every right to do so - because that was the scope of the damage that Labour did!!I think you'll find the current "crisis" is down to how people voted in the referendum, Len. And Parliament's refusal to carry out what they promised they would carry out: The will of the people.
And regards "conning people", we will not take lectures from someone who supports the biggest con artist to enter politics in the last 50 years, one Jeremy Corbyn.
Why? it was a Labour change to sentencing laws that brought thia about. It is Tory policy to stop the release after half a sentence of violent criminals or terrorists.
Except FPTP delivers a government always supported by a minority.
In 2005 for example only 1 in 3 voters put Labour in power, and this was 1 in 5 when all eligible voters were included.
As a result people feel effectively disenfranchised particularly those who live in 'safe seats'.
I have 3 family members that have all been in NHS careers since starting work and all with my Salford background and therefore previously Labour voters.
They live in Anglesey, Southport and Oldham - none of them will be voting Labour
This suggests that the statement from @Vic is flawed/hopeful/misleading
I hate fptp bit you can't throw in non voters really
Also not what I said I was trying to open it up into a discussion of what a doubling of Liberal support would mean in term actual seats as it could be crucial to the outcome rather than whether they were down a few points over the campaign.Then ignore the polls and my comments then if you think it's meaningless.
I think you'll find the current "crisis" is down to how people voted in the referendum, Len. And Parliament's refusal to carry out what they promised they would carry out: The will of the people.
And regards "conning people", we will not take lectures from someone who supports the biggest con artist to enter politics in the last 50 years, one Jeremy Corbyn.
That would be a tedious discussion.Also not what I said I was trying to open it up into a discussion of what a doubling of Liberal support would mean in term actual seats as it could be crucial to the outcome rather than whether they were down a few points over the campaign.
Fit right in with some of the other discussions then.That would be a tedious discussion.
This is where it all falls down for me, all the snarling and screaming to do something is never directed at thoseYeah - I am sure that they will probably get a sympathetic response from the 'representatives of the authorities' as they cause chaos - if only for a very short time
I have 3 family members that have all been in NHS careers since starting work and all with my Salford background and therefore previously Labour voters.
They live in Anglesey, Southport and Oldham - none of them will be voting Labour
This suggests that the statement from @Vic is flawed/hopeful/misleading
You do ever only seem to meet people (family, mates in the pub) who agree with you.
What a crying shame.One constant appears to be that the Liberal Democrat vote is tanking.
Again missing the point that they have doubled their support. Did you or anyone thing they would get 48% support or something.What a crying shame.
Maybe saying Bollocks to the biggest part of the electorate was not the way to win friends and influence people.
Not going to happen. Most Tory Remainers won't vote Lib Dem if it meant a Labour government the end result of which will be worse than Brexit.Also not what I said I was trying to open it up into a discussion of what a doubling of Liberal support would mean in term actual seats as it could be crucial to the outcome rather than whether they were down a few points over the campaign.
Why do you continue to do this?
You all do it, its such a huge mistake.
No, I didn't, and I also knew that Swinson was talking nonsense when she said she could be PM.Again missing the point that they have doubled their support. Did you or anyone thing they would get 48% support or something.
Why do you continue to do this and use ridiculous examples to mock socialism and not quote my whole post which explains this?
We were told Brexit would make imports cheaper because of our ability to make our own deals.
Who'd have guessed it was a lie.
A rise in Liberal support seems to be about 6 %, I'd say about 4 has come from Labour and maybe 2 from conservative. I have no idea what that means in terms of winnable seats it may make little difference but it may also mean the difference between a majority or a hung parliament.Not going to happen. Most Tory Remainers won't vote Lib Dem if it meant a Labour government the end result of which will be worse than Brexit.
Then there's the gradual transfer of Lib Dem votes to Labour, especially in London.
Basically if you vote Lib Dem you get Labour.