General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Mike D]

Why such a comment?

Why is it that so many posters seem not to be able to get their heads around the simple fact to so many people Corbyn, along with McDonnell, Abbot etc. are just simply detestable and considered to be the worst possible thing for the UK.

This does not mean that these people have admiration or respect for Johnson - for a lot of them quite the opposite.

What it means is simply that Corbyn, along with McDonnell, Abbot etc. are just simply detestable and considered to be the worst possible thing for the UK.

Johnson represents one thing and one thing only - the chance to stop Corbyn.

So many on here seem keen to take cheap shots at those that hate the idea of Corbyn in power by associating them to Johnson and Trump.

I think that you will find many find Johnson detestable too maybe not in your echo chamber but have a look around when he decides to go on walk about on elections (which he doesn't any more)

So are you denying what Trump has said and the existence of the trade talk documents ? Maybe Trump can tell us all again how he's not interested in NHS he's backing Johnson (but probably never met him ever before and doesn't know him)

 

[Mike D]

I was referring solely to the right wing accusation which is automatic if anyone dares to not agree with you and others on here.

But that's a very small part of the post and not the crux of what its about

 

[blueparrot]

No, I didn't, and I also knew that Swinson was talking nonsense when she said she could be PM.
What is pertinent here, is that the only party actively promising to scrap the referendum result is nowhere near in the polls.
So the basis for another referendum, from a clear remain party, or the laughable 'Peoples vote' is on very shaky ground,

Yet if we get a hung parliament, we will almost certainly get another referendum so in that sense the level of Liberal support and what it means in seats is probably the crucial question in the election.

 

[blueinsa]

But that's a very small part of the post and not the crux of what its about

The crux was about the sheer naivety of thinking a vote for Labour is a vote to end all of the countries ills and problems.

It wont and i explained that.

For daring to post that you then go off on your right winger rant and it was that i then responded to.

You do realise that it is possible to criticise Labour and not be right wing yes?

 

[BlueAnorak]

A rise in Liberal support seems to be about 6 %, I'd say about 4 has come from Labour and maybe 2 from conservative. I have no idea what that means in terms of winnable seats it may make little difference but it may also mean the difference between a majority or a hung parliament.

They were doing very well in London till the middle of last week when Remainers realised that Labour were the only chance to stop Brexit. Conversely the reason why Labour are doing so badly in their non metropolitan heartlands.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The whole Brexit thing is a sham sold to the ignorant as the emperor's new clothes and they fell for it hook line and sinker.

 

[Mike D]

The crux was about the sheer naivety of thinking a vote for Labour is a vote to end all of the countries ills and problems.

It wont and i explained that.

For daring to post that you then go off on your right winger rant and it was that i then responded to.

You do realise that it is possible to criticise Labour and not be right wing yes?

That's just bullshit and you know it, go and read your post back again and try and take it in objectively,

I will reiterate my point again that when you start using Venezualla to show how bad socialism and Corbyn are is then you are losing the argument. Its like me saying Johnson is going to bring us Saudi Arbian style Conservatism to the UK if he gets into power, Try and make your point with relevant examples of comparable countries (European for a start) if you are going to be taken seriously.

 

[SWP's back]

So given the fact that the poll at the top very much shows that this forum is far more "lefty" than the general population (especially given the current polling info out there), is it safe to put to bed the idea that Bluemoon is 'right-wing'?

 

[SWP's back]

the biggest part of the electorate

Not a fact.

 

[SWP's back]

A rise in Liberal support seems to be about 6 %, I'd say about 4 has come from Labour and maybe 2 from conservative. I have no idea what that means in terms of winnable seats it may make little difference but it may also mean the difference between a majority or a hung parliament.

http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/polls/general-election

Libs up 6%

Tories down 1%

Labour down 8 1/2%

Polls suggesting Tory majority of 46 seats.

 

[blueparrot]

They were doing very well in London till the middle of last week when Remainers realised that Labour were the only chance to stop Brexit. Conversely the reason why Labour are doing so badly in their non metropolitan heartlands.

Yes, I wonder and again have no idea , what is happening in their old strongholds like the South West. I don't know what the brexit vote was in that area either, but if they can win back a few seats there and assuming the SNP take back some in Scotland and Labour maybe some in London the question then is there enough support for the tories to gain enough seats in the rest of England to win a majority. I guess we'll soon find out.

 

[blueinsa]

That's just bullshit and you know it, go and read your post back again and try and take it in objectively,

I will reiterate my point again that when you start using Venezualla to show how bad socialism and Corbyn are is then you are losing the argument. Its like me saying Johnson is going to bring us Saudi Arbian style Conservatism to the UK if he gets into power, Try and make your point with relevant examples of comparable countries (European for a start) if you are going to be taken seriously.

I dont need to or can use a European country because none of them have a Corbyn/McDonnell partnership, the latter a self confirmed marxist running the show.

The rest of Europe wouldn't be daft enough to vote them in and hopefully we are the same.

Once they have gone i can vote labour again as i have done all my adult life (49) next with the exception of one EUparl election.

 

[Blue Hefner]

So given the fact that the poll at the top very much shows that this forum is far more "lefty" than the general population (especially given the current polling info out there), is it safe to put to bed the idea that Bluemoon is 'right-wing'?

Maybe all the Lib Dem votes are ex-Tory voters who are against Brexit? Add that to the Tory vote the Brexit Party vote and 'other' could be UKIP for all I know then all of a sudden the forum becomes a lot more right-wing?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

That's just bullshit and you know it, go and read your post back again and try and take it in objectively,

I will reiterate my point again that when you start using Venezualla to show how bad socialism and Corbyn are is then you are losing the argument. Its like me saying Johnson is going to bring us Saudi Arbian style Conservatism to the UK if he gets into power, Try and make your point with relevant examples of comparable countries (European for a start) if you are going to be taken seriously.

Socialism, as advocated by many on here, is a philosophy that advocates state control of production, distribution
and exchange. Venezuela, Zimbabwe, and dozens of other countries have adopted this policy, each and every one has
resulted in social catastrophe, starvation, and populations fleeing, you state European countries as an example.
There are no Western European countries that have implemented socialism.
Because, it does not work, it causes misery, so why do you want it?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Not a fact.

Ok, the biggest part of the electorate who bothered to vote.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Socialism, as advocated by many on here, is a philosophy that advocates state control of production, distribution
and exchange. Venezuela, Zimbabwe, and dozens of other countries have adopted this policy, each and every one has
resulted in social catastrophe, starvation, and populations fleeing, you state European countries as an example.
There are no Western European countries that have implemented socialism.
Because, it does not work, it causes misery, so why do you want it?

when everyone is poor we are all equal , except of course those who are in power

 

[blueparrot]

http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/polls/general-election

Libs up 6%

Tories down 1%

Labour down 8 1/2%

Polls suggesting Tory majority of 46 seats.

Could well be, although I think there will be a lot of surprising results in individual seats and localised pockets and so predicting any final seat totals is very difficult.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

when everyone is poor we are all equal , except of course those who are in power

Exactly, it always happens under socialism, it's an envy based philosophy that simply serves to reduce everyone to penury.
Except, as you say, a certain few, maybe Jezza should tell the truth for once and change his slogan to 'Poverty for the many,
including the few.'

 

[SWP's back]

Maybe all the Lib Dem votes are ex-Tory voters who are against Brexit? Add that to the Tory vote the Brexit Party vote and 'other' could be UKIP for all I know then all of a sudden the forum becomes a lot more right-wing?

Yeah but then you could say some traditional labour voters are Brexiteers and voting Tory above only to leave the EU and so on and so forth.

also given the fact that Libs always have around 10% on here from previous polls, you can’t suddenly pretend they are all ex Tories.

 

[SWP's back]

Ok, the biggest part of the electorate who bothered to vote in the referendum.

Slight edit and I’ll allow it.