General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
blueparrot said:
Non of these debates are aimed at us, I doubt anyone that posts in here have changed their opinion or decision since the start. These TV debates are aimed entirely at swaying the undecided and there are still a fair few of those to win over.
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You could be right, but I've not met anyone who's undecided, that's just me, but each and every one of them
that's been on has either been totally mangled by Neil, or it's he won, no he won each time.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Friday is celebrate or emigrate .
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Oh absolutely

And between now and then just despair that there exists even the ludicrous chance that Corbyn and McDonnell could be put in a position where they could destroy the UK for generations.

This would be far more damaging than anything that has gone before and way beyond the worst imaginings of most people
 
robbieh said:
Unfortunately most of those who promise to emigrate every time Labour get in never do.

And for all those harping on about how Labour has changed, don't you think the Tories have too?
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Need to select from 2 bad choices - but it is a no-brainer

Nothing could be worse than Corbyn/McDonnell and should the Tories be that bad we can vote them out after 5 years and at least the UK will not be economically ruined for generations - the labour party might have made a comeback and dumped the zealots
 
blueinsa said:
Labour now relying on Russian hackers it appears.

Uncomfortable for some on here I would have thought given their stance in all things Russian interference the last 3 years.
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Nah - they have showed that they are more than capable of ignoring inconvenient truths
 
BlueAnorak said:
Got to agree. Globalisation is the enemy for me here - especially the rise of the mega corporation that does everything to avoid paying tax and acts as a monopoly or cartel.
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Globalization gets a bad press.

People concentrate (understandably) on the downsides, but they are less quick to complain about being able to buy a 55" LCD TV for £300, or an electric drill from Aldi for £15. Let alone frozen lamb from New Zealand or french beans from peru.

If you multiply all of this across the basket of what people spend their money on, every week, every month, every year, then the net effect is that every household is hundreds (at least) and often thousands or tens of thousands of pounds better off, every year.

Now we could forego all of this, and go back to buying locally produced goods and services. There's nothing wrong with that ideology and in fact it offers many benefits for the environment, for local wages and employment and for lesser exploitation in other countries. But doing so would come at a huge financial cost. It is a choice. Do people want to have more disposable income, more trappings and more choice, or less of the above in order to reap the benefits I describe? You cannot expect to pay the same for your brussel sprouts if we don't have cheap labour picking them cheaply.

Seems to me people are quick to criticise globalization and yet not quick to put their hands in their pockets to go with the alternative. People cannot have their cake and eat it. And the sums involved are far from trivial.
 
BobKowalski said:
One should always fret about reality rather than concerns that exist only in the imagination.

In any event our fellow citizens in NI are doing a lot of ‘fretting’. It’s not a place where we want citizens ‘fretting’.
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could this have a huge impact on the good Friday agreement . That would be my concern with this


Plus I think people are going on about Hacked Russian Papers that have so far proved to be legitimate.

These documents were originally posted on Reddit ?

The Telegraph published the content first and Labour have published and put them out for the public to see ?

Why are people going after Corbyn for rightfully bringing more attention to these documents. He didn’t get them directly from the Russians did he ? He hasn’t hacked anything has he ?


Can anyone help me understand why he’s wrong for showing us these documents because as far as I’m concerned it’s in the public’s interest
 
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My god, if Johnson the racist wins it will be a complete disaster for this country.
More austerity and more poverty as well as the yanks raping the NHS, honestly, why the fuck would anyone vote for these cunts?
Says everything about the selfish culture of tories
 
bobmcfc said:
could this have a huge impact on the good Friday agreement . That would be my concern with this


Plus I think people are going on about Hacked Russian Papers that have so far proved to be legitimate.

These documents were originally posted on Reddit ?

The Telegraph published the content first and Labour have published and put them out for the public to see ?

Why are people going after Corbyn for rightfully bringing more attention to these documents. He didn’t get them directly from the Russians did he ? He hasn’t hacked anything has he ?


Can anyone help me understand why he’s wrong for showing us these documents because as far as I’m concerned it’s in the public’s interest
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Well when it's der spiegel publishing suddenly everyone has a hissy fit.
 
blue cigar said:
My god, if Johnson the racist wins it will be a complete disaster for this country.
More austerity and more poverty as well as the yanks raping the NHS, honestly, why the fuck would anyone vote for these cunts?
Says everything about the selfish culture of tories
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It says more (to me) about the nation being sick of Brexit and the stagnation it is causing... don’t blame the Tories, blame the woeful options on offer in opposition
 
west didsblue said:
I also voted Remain and accepted the result at the time. What I have a problem with is a withdrawal agreement that threatens the integrity of the UK union and guarantees an economic downturn. I also have a problem with the fact that in spite of cross party support for invoking A50, no cross party consensus was sought when the WA was negotiated.

Who’s ignoring it? You’re just supporting it all now because the WA was negotiated by your lot without taking into account cross party concerns. Tribal support trumps concern for the country as far as you’re concerned.
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When was that? - I must have been away on hols that week.

Can you copy some example posts that demonstrate your clear acceptance please?

I ask because it feels to me that you have been implacable in your stance on Brexit since about 2am on 24/06/16

Now being so implacable is consistent and perhaps a stance to be admired.

Saying now though that you were actually accepting of the referendum result and it was only events that followed a good while later seems both convenient and at odds with events on this forum.

I say a good while later because Article 50 was invoked on 28/03/17 - with the support of the vast majority of parliament - and then it was months before there was any emergence of the details of a WA that could be seen to - to use your words: "....threatens the integrity of the UK union"

So, in that period of at least a year when you were accepting of the referendum result, there must be a good number of posts from you in which you demonstrate your acceptance.

The issue must be that I was just not paying attention and totally imagining the 100s of posts of yours that 'appeared to be' implacable in your stance against Brexit.
 
blue cigar said:
My god, if Johnson the racist wins it will be a complete disaster for this country.
More austerity and more poverty as well as the yanks raping the NHS, honestly, why the fuck would anyone vote for these cunts?
Says everything about the selfish culture of tories
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What does it say about the Corbyn and McDonnell party that a good number of traditional Labour voters are seemingly going to vote in favour of a PM that they have no respect for?
 
BobKowalski said:
When you say ‘smear’ are you referring to Govt documents outlining the impact on U.K. internal trade an internal customs border will have? Were you under the impression an internal customs border will have no impact?
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Johnson smeared by the truth.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
You could be right, but I've not met anyone who's undecided, that's just me, but each and every one of them
that's been on has either been totally mangled by Neil, or it's he won, no he won each time.
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Millions have yet to decide.
 
mcfc1632 said:
When was that? - I must have been away on hols that week.

Can you copy some example posts that demonstrate your clear acceptance please?

I ask because it feels to me that you have been implacable in your stance on Brexit since about 2am on 24/06/16

Now being so implacable is consistent and perhaps a stance to be admired.

Saying now though that you were actually accepting of the referendum result and it was only events that followed a good while later seems both convenient and at odds with events on this forum.

I say a good while later because Article 50 was invoked on 28/03/17 - with the support of the vast majority of parliament - and then it was months before there was any emergence of the details of a WA that could be seen to - to use your words: "....threatens the integrity of the UK union"

So, in that period of at least a year when you were accepting of the referendum result, there must be a good number of posts from you in which you demonstrate your acceptance.

The issue must be that I was just not paying attention and totally imagining the 100s of posts of yours that 'appeared to be' implacable in your stance against Brexit.
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Didn't realise you paid such close attention to all my posts. Sounds a bit stalkerish.
You’re wrong by the way and luckily for you the current Brexit thread only started in June this year so there’s no way to look at my old posts to disprove your nonsense.
 
blue cigar said:
My god, if Johnson the racist wins it will be a complete disaster for this country.
More austerity and more poverty as well as the yanks raping the NHS, honestly, why the fuck would anyone vote for these cunts?
Says everything about the selfish culture of tories
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Or maybe, just maybe, it says something about your lack of understanding of the situation?

That more people than not, think Jeremy Corbyn is a worse bet than Boris and that Labour's policies would ruin the country far more than Brexit ever could?

What really beggars belief is that anyone could imagine we could put the country a further 1 Trillion pounds into debt, with no ill effects on the economy.
 
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