The rise of the far right has been as a result of the far left shitting all over the current moderate capitalist model (which many people approve of), and the rise has been a backlash to it by those wishing to exploit people's anger.
When you've got the opinion that someone who approves of capitalism, doesn't like socialism and holds a different opinion to you means they are racist/stupid/fascist etc, THAT is why we are where we are now.
Can you name me a country in Europe that has had a far-right government pre-2014, which was the era of anti-capitalist rhethoric which saw the rise of support for Trump, Brexit etc?Can you name me a country in Europe that has had a far left government since the Soviet era?
Perhaps we should just remind him of what can happen when you get a moderate Labour leader? 3 successive election victories and 13 years in power. Vs The shite Labour has been espousing since 2010, resulting in 2 election defeats and very probably an imminent 3rd one.The rise of the far right has been as a result of the far left shitting all over the current moderate capitalist model (which many people approve of), and the rise has been a backlash to it by those wishing to exploit people's anger.
When you've got the opinion that someone who approves of capitalism, doesn't like socialism and holds a different opinion to you means they are racist/stupid/fascist etc, THAT is why we are where we are now.
And for that moderates have to be blamed by the left for being stupid racists who aren't left wing enough and then start crying "why is the right on the rise?"I like to think the current capitalist model hitting the buffers at high speed in 2008 and military incursions in the Middle East adding to instability and the displacement of large numbers of people towards Europe played a big part. That and of course the far left being mean about capitalism on the internet.
It really is comparing a puddle of water to an absolute torrent.
Yeah but that was the WRONG type of Labour.Perhaps we should just remind him of what can happen when you get a moderate Labour leader? 3 successive election victories and 13 years in power.
Vs The shite Labour has been espousing since 2010, resulting in 2 election defeats and very probably an imminent 3rd one.
Utterly staggering that a desperately unpopular Tory party after 10 years of very painful austerity, has so much as a cat in hell's chance on Thursday, let alone being odds-on to win.
Can you name me a country in Europe that has had a far-right government pre-2014, which was the era of anti-capitalist rhethoric which saw the rise of support for Trump, Brexit etc?
It's been a social change that has been far too aggressive towards people who hold moderate views. "Name a far left government in Europe" What does that have to do with anything with what i'm talking about? Spain has had a left wing socialist government, so has Portugal, Greece, Sweden, Italy.
It's like you've completely missed the point of what I was saying.
Why would the Tories do stuff that's not in their DNA?Yep, there's a large number of long standing Labour voters about to vote for the Tories for the first time ever. The thing is, if Brexit is delivered and the tales of doom and gloom don't materialise (which they won't), then the chances are these people will feel vindicated. If the Tories are smart they'll deliver on more spending on the NHS, police, schools, and for the regions in the North, Midlands and Wales, which will have delivered this election. That could very well put these seats on the table for the foreseeable future, as once you've voted Tory once and the world didn't end, you are bound to be more likely to do so again. Could turn into an existential crisis for the Labour Party. I bet they're now wishing they'd snatched Theresa May's hand off for her shit deal.
Good read on NI from the Unionist camp. Not happy bunnies.
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...reland-offers-warning-few-are-hearing/603196/
Well done Bob.This morning I read The Times and The Atlantic. Took me twenty minutes. And that includes time to make a cup of tea.
What social change?
Yeah but that was the WRONG type of Labour.
Corbyn is the RIGHT type of Labour and anyone who disagrees is an evil, fascist, racist, poor hating closet Tory who needs to be arrested.
Of course it would be a disaster. Anyone who has every run their own business knows it would be(and I was an IT contractor for 10 years before IR35 killed it as an option).The formats of these televised sessions are quite limited as well.
I do not want to vote for Boris because of all the wonderful things he will do. Far from it. The overriding - vastly overriding - reason to vote Tory, is because of all of the utterly terrible things Corbyn promises to do.
And if Boris does an Andrew Neil interview, there is no opportunity for Boris to highlight this. None. He will get asked about trust and honestly, maybe about Islamophobia, about 50,000 nurses and 40 hospitals. But there will be no discussion at all about THE most important thing: Corbyn and McDonnell are dangerous Marxists who would wreck our country.
Is there anyone stupid enough to imagine that the changes McDonnell wants to bring about - higher corporation taxes, higher personal taxes, higher financial taxes, higher employment costs, forced nationalisations and meddling in company structures and governance - will have no effect on investment in our country? Just think about it for 1 nano-second. Business would run a mile, taking their jobs and their profits with them.
and people will read it and say..."ah well, shame"
Vote for Swinson = vote for Labour. Which is why you suggest it of course.Stop moaning and vote for Swinson you big Jessie.
Have you been living under a rock since 2013?
How about Momentum realises the writing on the wall, we moderates get our Labour back and you can go vote for the Communist Party of Britain which is more in tune to 'old' Labour ideals and less what modern Labour voters want.Stop moaning and vote for Swinson you big Jessie.
How about Momentum realises the writing on the wall, we moderates get our Labour back and you can go vote for the Communist Party of Britain which is more in tune to 'old' Labour ideals and less what modern Labour voters want.
How so?If and it's a big if the public decide to overlook the way the Tories have run the country the last 9 years, and decide that Brexit is more important than hospitals, schools,the elderly,the homeless then they, the voters have been had.
Vote for Swinson = vote for Labour. Which is why you suggest it of course.