General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Chippy_boy]

Our current PM....

Ridiculous interviewer, tosser in fact. No-one approves of situations like that and the PM made his views on that entirely clear in the opening seconds. What ensued was nothing more than political shit-stirring.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Like you say we exit stage one and into stage two. The point of no return and 12 months on the clock until the adverse economic impacts hit and jobs start to be lost. Zero upside expected from anyone. Brexit will be an absolute disaster. The general public have been misled on this from day 1 - what makes you think that Johnson's government will be straight with them if they get into power.

I will be campaigning to rejoin.

As a matter of interest, why do you think the pound is up on the back of a likely Tory victory? That's not consistent with your view of the likely impending doom, is it. Do you think all the markets are wrong?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I wouldn’t... actually couldn’t with the existing front bench

Your choice obviously ..... personally I've always looked at policies and not personalities ,,,,, however it does seem that a large number of people prefer to vote for a lying, opportunistic, racist, homophobic , womanising bloke who denies the existence of his own children over and above the policies of a party that are trying to improve the lives of the people of the UK whilst also attempting to resolve the rubiks cube that is Brexit.


Strange times

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Yep, there's a large number of long standing Labour voters about to vote for the Tories for the first time ever. The thing is, if Brexit is delivered and the tales of doom and gloom don't materialise (which they won't), then the chances are these people will feel vindicated. If the Tories are smart they'll deliver on more spending on the NHS, police, schools, and for the regions in the North, Midlands and Wales, which will have delivered this election. That could very well put these seats on the table for the foreseeable future, as once you've voted Tory once and the world didn't end, you are bound to be more likely to do so again. Could turn into an existential crisis for the Labour Party. I bet they're now wishing they'd snatched Theresa May's hand off for her shit deal.

Good points, Labour's future could depend on the Brexit doom scenarios we've been hearing so much of.
Hands should indeed have been snatched off.

 

[The perfect fumble]

What has that got to do with proving Jewish leaders are both supporting local Jewish interests and the Israeli state?

You see you’re trying a tactic of posting links in the hope that people ignore it and don’t read it, well I’ve read it and all the article says is Gardiner is claiming Labour and Corbyn aren’t antisemitic, it’s irrelevant to the part of your original article I quoted.

The original article you posted says Jewish leaders in Britain are supporting local issues and Israel and that’s the problem. Now I’ll ask you again, is there any fucking evidence of that or are we now on to blaming western Jews for the actions of Israel?

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Your predictions are predicated upon a number of assumptions which may prove to be incorrect (and I believe they are).

For example,

(a) The misconception that Boris Johnson is some kind of right-wing hard liner - he isn't. He's a moderate, and in fact he's not even that hard line when it comes to Brexit. His politics are nothing like that of John Redwood or Jacob Rees Mogg, for example.

(b) The misconception that Tories imagine that any levels of cuts are acceptable, irrespective of circumstances. And that we can simply keep cutting and cutting. This is also not correct. The austerity program started in 2010 and which was re-endorsed in 2015 was in the context of the economics at the time. The government was spending way more than it received, the state had grown to become (what many Tories believed) too large as a proportion of the overall economy and there was room for cuts. None of these are now true. The deficit is way down, the size of the state is down and there is no room for further cuts.

Just a gentle reminder that the Government was spending far more than it had received because it had handed out huge corporation tax cuts and agreed sweet heart deals with companies like Amazon and Google.


And the Tories will cut more or sell off our prize assets if they cant.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Just a gentle reminder that the Government was spending far more than it had received because it had handed out huge corporation tax cuts and agreed sweet heart deals with companies like Amazon and Google.


And the Tories will cut more or sell off our prize assets if they cant.

Hahahahahahahahaahahhahhaha. What an absolute load of bollocks, are per usual from you.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Ridiculous interviewer, tosser in fact. No-one approves of situations like that and the PM made his views on that entirely clear in the opening seconds. What ensued was nothing more than political shit-stirring.

Nothing if not predictable.

The PM is a ****. He is a stain on the nation.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Voters in Germany in the 30's were probably thinking the same thing - it could be good in the long run if Adolph gets in with a majority because then Otto Weiss will be sidelined and a new SPD party can emerge and people will flock back to them.
Wake up and smell the coffee mate.

not really, keep calling people who have a different view to you names in a hateful way and it does not funnily enough make them sympathetic to your view.

its hearts and minds labour need not calling people who happen to be voting Tory for once in their life some kind of nazi. Comparing this situation to nazi Germany. Really ?

you did it in the referendum . what were people who disagreed with you and your chums, thick and racists ? How did that one work out?

now the angry left are saying because you vote Tory you are some kind of facist far right nazi. Let’s see how that tactic will work again on Thursday. I think you might be crying into your morning star Friday morning.

 

[robbieh]

Whilst that may be true - for so many centrist tories who might have voted Remain - this LP leadership presents a danger far greater than the outcome of Brexit

A Centrist led LP would win a massive majority - LP supporters need to wake up and realise this before recovering is not possible

It also highlights something else.That wealthy remainers will put their economic interest above their thoughts on Brexit. Whereas poorer leavers will wilfully ignore their economic interests just to get Brexit done.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

To be honest I doubt if anyone will read it. No one wants to know. This election is about denial.

No, this election is because parliament has been in denial.
Some members of that parliament are going to see the results of that.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Your predictions are predicated upon a number of assumptions which may prove to be incorrect (and I believe they are).

For example,

(a) The misconception that Boris Johnson is some kind of right-wing hard liner - he isn't. He's a moderate, and in fact he's not even that hard line when it comes to Brexit. His politics are nothing like that of John Redwood or Jacob Rees Mogg, for example.

(b) The misconception that Tories imagine that any levels of cuts are acceptable, irrespective of circumstances. And that we can simply keep cutting and cutting. This is also not correct. The austerity program started in 2010 and which was re-endorsed in 2015 was in the context of the economics at the time. The government was spending way more than it received, the state had grown to become (what many Tories believed) too large as a proportion of the overall economy and there was room for cuts. None of these are now true. The deficit is way down, the size of the state is down and there is no room for further cuts.

Point A is demonstrably wrong. Johnson will go in whatever direction suits his career. Time and again on big issues he has done whatever suits him personally. On the original brexit question he stiffed his mate Cameron and chose the populist but damaging option of backing brexit - knowing that would endear him to the tory base but having been pro EU his whole career until that point. Then when it came to May's deal again twice he stiffed her in order to play to the alt right tory base voters - only when her downfall had been plotted did he back it. Then he tried to force his deal through the HoC and had to sack 20'ish moderate tories in the process. So given the diection of travel ver the last year and the cull of moderates from the party there is absolutely zero chance he will do anything other than play to the alt right.

Point B assumes we sail along as we are but the tories are creating a perfect storm. Brexit will be hugely damaging, high paid / high skilled jobs will be lost and low skilled jobs will not be filled as immigrants leave and are not replaced. A massive structural problem in the jobs market. There is no way they are going to havce the answers to these problems, they will just make cuts and continue managing public services down.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

How about Momentum realises the writing on the wall, we moderates get our Labour back and you can go vote for the Communist Party of Britain which is more in tune to 'old' Labour ideals and less what modern Labour voters want.

Didn't the Commie party withdraw all candidates in the last election,to help labour, and is doing the same now?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Nothing if not predictable.

The PM is a ****. He is a stain on the nation.

How ironic.

As a matter of interest, WTF do you expect ANYONE to say in an interview situation like that? Seriously, what?

 

[Len Rum]

not really, keep calling people who have a different view to you names in a hateful way and it does not funnily enough make them sympathetic to your view.
its hearts and minds labour need not calling people who happen to be voting Tory for once in their life some kind of nazi. Comparing this situation to nazi Germany. Really ?
you did it in the referendum . what were people who disagreed with you and your chums, thick and racists ? How did that one work out?
now the angry left are saying because you vote Tory you are some kind of facist far right nazi. Let’s see how that tactic will work again on Thursday. I think you might be crying into your morning star Friday morning.

It took a while but there you are mate, your true colours revealed.

 

[The perfect fumble]

It took a while but there you are mate, your true colours revealed.

Whoosh!

It'll go straight over his head.

 

[George Hannah]

Didn't the Commie party withdraw all candidates in the last election,to help labour, and is doing the same now?

Spiritual rather than practical support from GBCP but no less significant for that.
Tens of thousands take to streets to campaign for Labour

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/h-lead-tens-thousands-take-streets-campaign-labour

 

[Metal Biker]

It took a while but there you are mate, your true colours revealed.

That he's against extremist left wing bigots using the tactic of shame to influence voting intentions?

I would have thought that opinion was universal.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Spiritual rather than practical support from GBCP but no less significant for that.
Tens of thousands take to streets to campaign for Labour

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/h-lead-tens-thousands-take-streets-campaign-labour

 

[Chippy_boy]

Point A is demonstrably wrong. Johnson will go in whatever direction suits his career. Time and again on big issues he has done whatever suits him personally. On the original brexit question he stiffed his mate Cameron and chose the populist but damaging option of backing brexit - knowing that would endear him to the tory base but having been pro EU his whole career until that point. Then when it came to May's deal again twice he stiffed her in order to play to the alt right tory base voters - only when her downfall had been plotted did he back it. Then he tried to force his deal through the HoC and had to sack 20'ish moderate tories in the process. So given the diection of travel ver the last year and the cull of moderates from the party there is absolutely zero chance he will do anything other than play to the alt right.

Point B assumes we sail along as we are but the tories are creating a perfect storm. Brexit will be hugely damaging, high paid / high skilled jobs will be lost and low skilled jobs will not be filled as immigrants leave and are not replaced. A massive structural problem in the jobs market. There is no way they are going to havce the answers to these problems, they will just make cuts and continue managing public services down.

You started off being logical and reasonable and then jumped to a random and wrong conclusion. "So given the diection of travel ver the last year and the cull of moderates from the party there is absolutely zero chance he will do anything other than play to the alt right."

That's nonsense. The direction of travel of the party has been towards the centre. 50,000 extra nurses, 40 new hospitals, 20,00 extra police. Putting aside deliverability, these are not the policies of hard-right dogmatists. Those culled from the party or which chose to leave it, did so *entirely* because of their views on Brexit and nothing else.

I agree Boris will go for political expediency, but absolutely not if that means he's the guy at the helm whilst the ship goes down. IMO he'll bend with EU requirements to some kind of FTA done, just your side keep telling us he did to get the WA renegotiated. We'll see.