Democrat US Presidential Nominations

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3 out of 4 would smash Trump in a debate. He hasn't got the mental capacity to deal with them (Biden aside).

I don't think you know what an Establishment Dem is if you're including Sanders.

Not sure why you're slurring Warren as others have moved on, but you're one of the few still using talking points that are 2 years old and something #45 would use also.

I'm including Bernie as an Estblishment Dem as he is an old school longstanding Washington politician who is a democrat (of sorts), he has been on the Hill for decades. He might be an outsider to the party machine but that is irrelevant to the kind of swing voters who will dictate the outcome. Trump plays the all politicians are bad card and portrays himself as an outsider. Bernie is very much an insider in that he has been a politician since the 80's and will be the Dem candidate.

My slurring of other is just pointing out how they will be attacked in the campaign. In my opinion there are much better options than this bunch. I would have preferred Beto as he is not an old school Washington operative and that blows away the drain the swamp narrative.
 
I'm including Bernie as an Estblishment Dem as he is an old school longstanding Washington politician who is a democrat (of sorts), he has been on the Hill for decades. He might be an outsider to the party machine but that is irrelevant to the kind of swing voters who will dictate the outcome. Trump plays the all politicians are bad card and portrays himself as an outsider. Bernie is very much an insider in that he has been a politician since the 80's and will be the Dem candidate.

My slurring of other is just pointing out how they will be attacked in the campaign. In my opinion there are much better options than this bunch. I would have preferred Beto as he is not an old school Washington operative and that blows away the drain the swamp narrative.

I don't know where to start!!

Right, Sanders has been an INDEPENDANT the majority of his political career, which means he could easily be right or left depending on the closest position his policy lies with. In this case his moral compass leans towards Democratic. HOWEVER, he has been outside of the established Democratic benchmark of being centrist and accepting big business donor input into his campaign funds. Always has refused it as his principles dictate his actions.

The reason why he's up with the front runners is his message and support from the ordinary working people who have propelled him forward in their name.

Swing voters are very big on healthcare, so let's just wait and see if they're happy to be bankrupt after visiting the hospital with low wages!

As for 'Beto', obviously he was ultimately rejected by the people he tried to con. Another moderate falling by the wayside.

Up until now, Warren's star was bright, but her messaging and numbers and stealing of Bernie's ideas have not gone down well.

Buttigieg will fall soon enough with his own scandal in his mayorship hampering him big time.

Biden hasn't got a hope as he struggles to remember where he was last week!

You must know this as I can't believe you don't!!
 
I don't know where to start!!

Right, Sanders has been an INDEPENDANT the majority of his political career, which means he could easily be right or left depending on the closest position his policy lies with. In this case his moral compass leans towards Democratic. HOWEVER, he has been outside of the established Democratic benchmark of being centrist and accepting big business donor input into his campaign funds. Always has refused it as his principles dictate his actions.

The reason why he's up with the front runners is his message and support from the ordinary working people who have propelled him forward in their name.

Swing voters are very big on healthcare, so let's just wait and see if they're happy to be bankrupt after visiting the hospital with low wages!

As for 'Beto', obviously he was ultimately rejected by the people he tried to con. Another moderate falling by the wayside.

Up until now, Warren's star was bright, but her messaging and numbers and stealing of Bernie's ideas have not gone down well.

Buttigieg will fall soon enough with his own scandal in his mayorship hampering him big time.

Biden hasn't got a hope as he struggles to remember where he was last week!

You must know this as I can't believe you don't!!

Your are right i know it. But if Bernie is in the running to be the DEMOCRAT candidate - he is not running as an independent. So for those not that engaged he is a democrat (end of story).

Biden is a bit old and dodery - 100% agree. But Bernie is 78 and had a heart attack 2 months ago!!!!!

My preference for who should go up against Trump is someone who has not spent 10+ years in Washington. Beto fits that bill (you will have to explain to me how he was conning people). It would also help if they hadn't stood for the social workers party - not that i'm against that personally I just know how much it turns off US voters who have been conditioned to believe socialist are bad. Putting a 'socialist' up against Trump is the same brain dead decision as putting Corbyn up against the tories here. Politically toxic to a big % of the voters.
 
Your are right i know it. But if Bernie is in the running to be the DEMOCRAT candidate - he is not running as an independent. So for those not that engaged he is a democrat (end of story).

Biden is a bit old and dodery - 100% agree. But Bernie is 78 and had a heart attack 2 months ago!!!!!

My preference for who should go up against Trump is someone who has not spent 10+ years in Washington. Beto fits that bill (you will have to explain to me how he was conning people). It would also help if they hadn't stood for the social workers party - not that i'm against that personally I just know how much it turns off US voters who have been conditioned to believe socialist are bad. Putting a 'socialist' up against Trump is the same brain dead decision as putting Corbyn up against the tories here. Politically toxic to a big % of the voters.

I know you've asked me, BUT let me ask you (as I know why 'Beto' was rejected) why do you think he failed to get further than he did, if he's the model (and Est. Dem supported) politician that was desperately needed in US politics?

Sure Sanders had heart issues a couple of months ago and that concerns me. It doesn't, however, concern the many supporters who have pushed him into second place nationally! You'll have to explain why you think that is as well (as a Democrat).

As you do that, maybe that will answer your statement on 'socialism'.

I'm happy to debate.
 
Interesting that CNN have hedged their bets in putting out an article on Sanders without (as many posters also noticed) mentioning his name in the title!

It really is shameful action!


Playing the same games they did add time. Cutting away from speeches etc.
 
Please, not you as well!!

Sanders is a 'Democratic Socialist'! That means he doesn't begrudge money being made, he just wants those with excessive wealth to pay a fairer share into society to help others.

You know, like how you collectively pay for the firefighters, the army, the navy, the police, your highways? Do you complain about those?

He wants that extended to hospitals and college education as everyone should have the right to access those things.

Explain how that is "communism"??!


Most if not all hospitals and colleges are "PRIVATELY" owned. Firefighter, police , army etc.. are run by the government. It is the taking over of "PRIVATE" companies and making them part of the government or society that makes it communist. And "YES" I complain about my highways and government run institutions all the time because they are run into the ground. I also worked for the government for 20 years and KNOW FIRST HAND HOW CURRUPT IT IS.

Is that explained enough?
 
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Please, not you as well!!

Sanders is a 'Democratic Socialist'! That means he doesn't begrudge money being made, he just wants those with excessive wealth to pay a fairer share into society to help others.

You know, like how you collectively pay for the firefighters, the army, the navy, the police, your highways? Do you complain about those?

He wants that extended to hospitals and college education as everyone should have the right to access those things.

Explain how that is "communism"??!
Do you know what communism is? Look it up. My point is that John F. Kennedy is the poster boy of the Democratic Party. If John F. Kennedy were alive today he would be a Republican because the Democratic Party has changed its platform over the last 40 years. The taking over of private companies and rolling them into the government is communist. It is widely known that privately owned companies run better than government run institutions with the exception of the military. The U.S. government ruined Amtrak, it hasn't shown a profit since it was founded. The Social Security Department is almost broke. The U.S. Postal service works so well that FedEx, UPS and other privately owned parcel shipping companies are showing profits but not the U.S. Postal Service. The U.S. healthcare has taken a nose dive since the government got involved. So YOU want to give the government more responsibility when they have shown that, with the exception of the military, that they obviously can't run anything. Which brings me to the U.S. education. The U.S. education system is broken. Our kids can't read or write when they come out of the government run institutions. It's well known that private education is superior to that of the government.
So, why would you want to give the government more responsibilities?
You're police and fire and so forth are run by the States not the federal government.
People need to live without government assistance. Back in the 1940's we had a generation of people that would not take a government hand out because they had too much pride. Today everyone want the government to take care of them form cradle to grave. That's not living, that living under the thumb of someone else called the government and there are many people that do not need the government to live and succeed in this world. We want to do it ourselves because we can do a better job.
The government sets very low standards and most everyone that thinks with their own mind believes that their standards are much higher than the government and that is how you end up with people like Bill Gates. You think Bill Gates believes the government can run Microsoft better than he can? I think not my friend.
Be careful what you wish for. There are many socialist countries in the world, go see how well their citizens are doing and I bet you they wish for the freedoms of a Republic over socialism.
 
Please, not you as well!!

Sanders is a 'Democratic Socialist'! That means he doesn't begrudge money being made, he just wants those with excessive wealth to pay a fairer share into society to help others.

You know, like how you collectively pay for the firefighters, the army, the navy, the police, your highways? Do you complain about those?

He wants that extended to hospitals and college education as everyone should have the right to access those things.

Explain how that is "communism"??!


Most if not all hospitals and colleges are "PRIVATELY" owned. Firefighter, police , army etc.. are run by the government. It is the taking over of "PRIVATE" companies and making them part of the government or society that makes it communist. And "YES" I complain about my highways and government run institutions all the time because they are run into the ground. I also worked for the government for 20 years and KNOW FIRST HAND HOW CURRUPT IT IS.

Is that explained enough?
There are tons of colleges that are owned by states and many of them have hospitals associated with them. Where I live we have three hospitals and they're all part of universities.
 
Do you know what communism is? Look it up. My point is that John F. Kennedy is the poster boy of the Democratic Party. If John F. Kennedy were alive today he would be a Republican because the Democratic Party has changed its platform over the last 40 years. The taking over of private companies and rolling them into the government is communist. It is widely known that privately owned companies run better than government run institutions with the exception of the military. The U.S. government ruined Amtrak, it hasn't shown a profit since it was founded. The Social Security Department is almost broke. The U.S. Postal service works so well that FedEx, UPS and other privately owned parcel shipping companies are showing profits but not the U.S. Postal Service. The U.S. healthcare has taken a nose dive since the government got involved. So YOU want to give the government more responsibility when they have shown that, with the exception of the military, that they obviously can't run anything. Which brings me to the U.S. education. The U.S. education system is broken. Our kids can't read or write when they come out of the government run institutions. It's well known that private education is superior to that of the government.
So, why would you want to give the government more responsibilities?
You're police and fire and so forth are run by the States not the federal government.
People need to live without government assistance. Back in the 1940's we had a generation of people that would not take a government hand out because they had too much pride. Today everyone want the government to take care of them form cradle to grave. That's not living, that living under the thumb of someone else called the government and there are many people that do not need the government to live and succeed in this world. We want to do it ourselves because we can do a better job.
The government sets very low standards and most everyone that thinks with their own mind believes that their standards are much higher than the government and that is how you end up with people like Bill Gates. You think Bill Gates believes the government can run Microsoft better than he can? I think not my friend.
Be careful what you wish for. There are many socialist countries in the world, go see how well their citizens are doing and I bet you they wish for the freedoms of a Republic over socialism.

Look at my short post.

Did I mention 'communism' anywhere?? Democratic socialism and communism are two different things, which, you obviously need to learn about.

It's the distribution of wealth into services that is the point. When you starve an institution of vital resources, the quality of that institution goes down. So, if someone else say 'hey, let me run it for you, but you'll have to subsidise me and let me keep the profit' then it will always look like someone else is doing the best job!

Tell me something, is there a single state that doesn't get government grants? I mean you're making out that all states are self funded which, as you know, is untrue. Those grants are distributed to the state and they choose what to do with it. Is that not so?

Your argument verges on the ridiculous conflating entrepreneurship with health care! These are two completely separate subjects united by a common goal. Nobody wants an entrepreneur to stop being such, but there are times more contribution into the system is needed. I mean, how much wealth does one need before it becomes redundant?

The polls currently show that 70% of all Americans are in favour of M4A. That includes republicans!

So the question is,do you believe healthcare is a Human Right? If not, I can see where you're coming from and the allowance of children and adults to die is just your way of acceptance that "survival of the fittest" is applicable to everything; no intervention.

If you do believe healthcare is a Human Right, then the input of universal basic care is necessary right across the board (not "access to healthcare" in the way that it is now) and I would have to ask wtf is this discussion about??!
 
Look at my short post.

Did I mention 'communism' anywhere?? Democratic socialism and communism are two different things, which, you obviously need to learn about.

It's the distribution of wealth into services that is the point. When you starve an institution of vital resources, the quality of that institution goes down. So, if someone else say 'hey, let me run it for you, but you'll have to subsidise me and let me keep the profit' then it will always look like someone else is doing the best job!

Tell me something, is there a single state that doesn't get government grants? I mean you're making out that all states are self funded which, as you know, is untrue. Those grants are distributed to the state and they choose what to do with it. Is that not so?

Your argument verges on the ridiculous conflating entrepreneurship with health care! These are two completely separate subjects united by a common goal. Nobody wants an entrepreneur to stop being such, but there are times more contribution into the system is needed. I mean, how much wealth does one need before it becomes redundant?

The polls currently show that 70% of all Americans are in favour of M4A. That includes republicans!

So the question is,do you believe healthcare is a Human Right? If not, I can see where you're coming from and the allowance of children and adults to die is just your way of acceptance that "survival of the fittest" is applicable to everything; no intervention.

If you do believe healthcare is a Human Right, then the input of universal basic care is necessary right across the board (not "access to healthcare" in the way that it is now) and I would have to ask wtf is this discussion about??!
I'm sorry I didn't mention socialism in my last post. If you know anything about governments, socialism and communism are very very close to one another. And in the matter of progression most governments that are socialist end up going toward communism. Socialism is that great form of government that brought the USSR to its knees, It is also no secret that socialism does not work. The States do not function from grants from the Federal government of the United States. They function from state taxes. The federal system is on its own. It's the way the founders of this country designed it.
Each State is supposed to function by itself and allow the citizens, since there are 50 states, 50 different ways to live. Each State is actually a country within the collective 50. So if one State wanted to go full bore Socialist, it can as long as the citizens voted for it. And if the ones that don't want to live under socialism could simply move to a State of their choice. All of this is confused because the Federal government takes charge and wants to be the big bully. So your absolutely WRONG about the States funding. The only grants I know about is the highway system and the federal government funds that and really only because the highway and freeway system is made for military use in case of an emergency.

Please tell me what institutions in America are STARVED of resources? I can't think of one???????? WTF is M4A? I've never heard of it. And let me tell you about polls. Don't believe them. They are rigged to sway people, like you. If you don't believe me about polls, ask Hillary Clinton. By the polls, she had the White House twice.
If you're referring to our healthcare system, your 100% WRONG. We had the BEST healthcare in the world before being lied to by a socialist by the name Obama. We didn't get to keep our doctors, We didn't get to keep our health plans, And it is NOT, I repeat NOT CHEAPER !! My healthcare cost has gone from $100.00 a month to $700.00 a month.
If you're hearing anything good about it, it's from people that had no insurance and now I'm paying for people I don't even know while my bank account gets smaller and smaller every month.

No, healthcare is not a right. If it where a right doctors would have to work for free. So no.

More contribution is not needed. We have funded and funded and funded and the systems are so broken they cannot work. One reason they don't work is because once in the federal system, people that cannot do the work cannot, I repeat CANNOT be fired. So if you cannot rid the cancer from the body, the body eventually dies, my friend.

Here's a question back to you. How in the world have societies made it this far when in the beginning man had no doctors, no teachers, no government. But that man survived over centuries without a government protecting him from all the chaos in the world. See, you don't need all these things you have been brainwashed to believe you do. When America was first born there was no healthcare but it survived for almost 200 years without it and nobody wanted it!!! Until the socialist came around and then everything went to hell.

One more thing you're 100% wrong about. Republicans are NOT in favor of this crappy healthcare system. I imaging you're getting your information from a democratic website.
And you really don't know what "living free" is. My mother was born in the UK and she and her family wanted out. My mother never wanted to go back to the UK. We visited many times and I love the history but not the government. You should hop on a plane and go to the USA and not NEW YORK, go out into the Plain States and meet the people in REAL America and your view of us will change dramatically.
Do you own your home or do you live with your parents? Do you rent or own that home. Do you have a job or are you still in school. If I were you, don't come to the US to live until you learn what life is all about. The US will ruin you with your thought process. The US did not become the world power it once was under socialism. The US is declining now and we Americans have to put it back together so that when you need healthcare you can come here and get the best the world has to offer. Right now our healthcare sucks, you don't believe me but I don't care. I'm here and youi're there and I'm living the reality and you're reading of my reality in some website that has the facts wrong.
I'm a simple man that just want to live in the country I grew up in not what it has become now. This situation we are currently in needs a lot of work because it's not working but YOU think it is.

All I can tell you is visit and find out on your own. Don't read about it. I know a lot of the UK because I visit there frequently. Last time I was there Brixet was the headlines. I don't keep up with your politics because I'm not there and live in it. But your country has its own problems and your healthcare is not that great either. If you think your healthcare is great, you should have seen what we had for healthcare in the 80"s and 90"s, it was fantastic. Nobody talked about healthcare because nobody had a problem with it. And look at us now, it's all we talk about. So if so many people are happy with our healthcare system then why is such a topic of discussion? Because it is a problem and you're not being told the truth. Simple as that. Someone is lying to you and if I were you, I'd find out who that is and get them out of your life because no friend should lie to another friend.

So there, my friend!!!
 
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There are tons of colleges that are owned by states and many of them have hospitals associated with them. Where I live we have three hospitals and they're all part of universities.
Do your home work on Bernie Sanders. He belonged to the Green Party for a long long time. He's never really held a job in the public sector. He's always worked in government somewhere because he couldn't make it in the public sector. People that cannot make it in the public sector do not need to be telling the public sector what to do. It's really not all that complicated why Bernie is such a loser.
Anyway, the "Green Party" is the USA's version of the "Communist Party. They didn't want to call themselves the "Communist Party" for obvious reasons. But to hide behind the name "Green" caught the attention of many uneducated people.
Bernie found out over the years that he could never become President while under a third party. He had to join one of the big two that are in the US. The republicans wouldn't have him but the Democrats were changing their platform to give away everyone elses money and Bernie knew he could fit right in and change the dynamics of the Democratic Party, and he did.

So do your homework on Bernies history and you'll be amazed. He's a communist and will always be one. Nothing wrong with being a communist but America doesn't want it right now.
 
There are tons of colleges that are owned by states and many of them have hospitals associated with them. Where I live we have three hospitals and they're all part of universities.
Yes but they are not Federally funded but State funded.
 
Do your home work on Bernie Sanders. He belonged to the Green Party for a long long time. He's never really held a job in the public sector. He's always worked in government somewhere because he couldn't make it in the public sector. People that cannot make it in the public sector do not need to be telling the public sector what to do. It's really not all that complicated why Bernie is such a loser.
Anyway, the "Green Party" is the USA's version of the "Communist Party. They didn't want to call themselves the "Communist Party" for obvious reasons. But to hide behind the name "Green" caught the attention of many uneducated people.
Bernie found out over the years that he could never become President while under a third party. He had to join one of the big two that are in the US. The republicans wouldn't have him but the Democrats were changing their platform to give away everyone elses money and Bernie knew he could fit right in and change the dynamics of the Democratic Party, and he did.

So do your homework on Bernies history and you'll be amazed. He's a communist and will always be one. Nothing wrong with being a communist but America doesn't want it right now.
There is so much wrong there that it's ridiculous:

1. Spending your life in public service doesn't mean you couldn't make it in the private sector.
2. I have no idea what you're spouting about regarding the Green party. He's an independent who runs for POTUS as a Democrat because he is closer to them on the political spectrum
3. Democrats/Socialists/Communists or whatever you want to call them (most morons think they all mean the same thing) don't "give away everyone else's money" and more than republicans do. The difference is that republicans give it to corporations via tax beaks/corporate welfare. Democrats would rather use taxpayer money to better society, not their donors' bank accounts. When companies like GE and Amazon don't pay federal income tax and Exxon Mobil actually gets subsidized by the federal government it's a problem. Even Warren Buffett (who is worth almost $90 billion) thinks it's ridiculous that his secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does.

Also, Bernie isn't going to be the nominee but he or any other of the Democrats would do a better job than Dumb Donald.

And yes, state schools are funded by their states but those states receive federal money that helps support them.
 
Heard buttigieg mentioned a few times over the weekend it struck me that his name pronunciation has changed. It was being pronounced “booty-judge”. Is this his attempt to garner the black vote?

I think it makes him eminently
More electable.
 
There is so much wrong there that it's ridiculous:

1. Spending your life in public service doesn't mean you couldn't make it in the private sector.
2. I have no idea what you're spouting about regarding the Green party. He's an independent who runs for POTUS as a Democrat because he is closer to them on the political spectrum
3. Democrats/Socialists/Communists or whatever you want to call them (most morons think they all mean the same thing) don't "give away everyone else's money" and more than republicans do. The difference is that republicans give it to corporations via tax beaks/corporate welfare. Democrats would rather use taxpayer money to better society, not their donors' bank accounts. When companies like GE and Amazon don't pay federal income tax and Exxon Mobil actually gets subsidized by the federal government it's a problem. Even Warren Buffett (who is worth almost $90 billion) thinks it's ridiculous that his secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does.

Also, Bernie isn't going to be the nominee but he or any other of the Democrats would do a better job than Dumb Donald.

And yes, state schools are funded by their states but those states receive federal money that helps support them.
This is getting silly because you don't know or don't care about someones past. This whole thing got started about Bernie being a Democrat. He's NOT a Democrat by definition and the ONLY reason he's on the ticket is for the reasons I posted. He WAS a candidate with the Green Party and the Green Party IS COMMUNIST. Those that don't read and understand history tend to repeat it.
If you become a millionaire while in government there's something awfully shady going on. They are not payed that much. So all the people that come out of politics being a millionaire did so by taking money from someone and that's not supposed to happen.
The rich in America did not become rich by being uneducated. Trump is a Billionaire so I wouldn't call the man stupid at all.
Here's the flaw to your socialist thinking by soaking the rich for money and how it all backfires:
1. You raise taxes on the rich
2. The rich own stores, homes, shopping centers, apartment buildings etc....
3. Because the taxes go up for the rich, they raise the price of the homes, apartment buildings, things in the stores etc...
4. The little guy ends up paying the rich mans taxes because the rich raised the prices on the things he or she owns.

So who wins?????

Get used to President Trump, he's going to be here a while. There are a lot of socialist countries for you to live, so be gone.
I'm done trying to help you
 

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