Another new Brexit thread

[Metal Biker]

Biggest referendum vote ever - leave won

General election - conservatives won an overwhelmingly majority and won in most constituencies

Pretty much every mp or party that wanted to remain got kicked out as well

Not everyone who voted labour is a remainer either.

But no you won ;)

And not every SNP voter voted to remain. But people keep forgetting this fact.

 

[Metal Biker]

until that happens let’s see what happens eh.

all I have seen is people glad there is a bit of certainty now

ftse up pound up.

but if it all goes to shit then have your fun.

A politically divided country now has a majority of the populous all pulling in the same direction after years of bickering and apparently it's a "problem".

 

[mcfc1632]

Some people will have their lives wrecked by this crap.

I'm just not letting those who think it's a good idea start blaming anyone other than the Tory party when it does turn out crap.

Only if they cannot find the strength to get over it and spend their time keep posting about the unfairness of the campaign and FTZs

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Remainers are gutted as they bet the house on overturning the Leave vote and ensuring that the UK stayed in the EU. They had the option of voting for May's soft Brexit deal, which became even softer when she entered into negotiations with Labour. However they calculated they could get far more than that and voted it down.

As Jim Bowen used to say..'This is what you could have won'...

Never mind, it was only the speed boat..

 

[mcfc1632]

Remainers are gutted as they bet the house on overturning the Leave vote and ensuring that the UK stayed in the EU. They had the option of voting for May's soft Brexit deal, which became even softer when she entered into negotiations with Labour. However they calculated they could get far more than that and voted it down.

As Jim Bowen used to say..'This is what you could have won'...

Never mind, it was only the speed boat..

There is something fundamental in what you are saying here - and it explains a lot IMO about the way some of the Remainers are unable to get over it.

I don't think that you have been on these threads throughout the 3 years or so - apologies if I have that wrong. If you had been you would have witnessed the cycle that a good number of the Remainers have gone through.

Following the initial period of grievance and anger the Remainers moved on into a long period of increasing confidence and eventually gloating that it was only a matter of time before Brexit was cancelled. There were no doubts - only weeks becoming months of increasing levels of hubris.

In the wider UK this was also evident - the likes of Soubry, Grieve, Benn and others were just enjoying their time in the limelight and milking it. Who could blame them - the incompetence of May and Robbins seemed to ensure that they had no reason to have any concerns. It was just a question of time and they - including Bluemoon's versions of Grieve and Soubry - could just luxuriate in holding court and pontificating.

Then - all of a sudden - against all odds and expectation - something comes along that shows a route out from under their cast iron certainty and over-bearing confidence.

And then - fuck - it has all accelerated and has since gone to hell in a hand-cart....

Corbyn and his team were so utterly fucking certain that they had it all under control and it was just a question of how and when they press the buttons......

And now - as you say - they are left considering perhaps they should have settled earlier - perhaps with May's deal - perhaps they are wondering why they did not take what they 'could have won' - when they could have done.

They and their equivalents on Bluemoon are now just - understandably - stumbling around in a daze and well, frankly - seriously butt-hurt​

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

There is something fundamental in what you are saying here - and it explains a lot IMO about the way some of the Remainers are unable to get over it.

I don't think that you have been on these threads throughout the 3 years or so - apologies if I have that wrong. If you had been you would have witnessed the cycle that a good number of the Remainers have gone through.

Following the initial period of grievance and anger the Remainers moved on into a long period of increasing confidence and eventually gloating that it was only a matter of time before Brexit was cancelled. There were no doubts - only weeks becoming months of increasing levels of hubris.

In the wider UK this was also evident - the likes of Soubry, Grieve, Benn and others were just enjoying their time in the limelight and milking it. Who could blame them - the incompetence of May and Robbins seemed to ensure that they had no reason to have any concerns. It was just a question of time and they - including Bluemoon's versions of Grieve and Soubry - could just luxuriate in holding court and pontificating.

Then - all of a sudden - against all odds and expectation - something comes along that shows a route out from under their cast iron certainty and over-bearing confidence.

And then - fuck - it has all accelerated and has since gone to hell in a hand-cart....

Corbyn and his team were so utterly fucking certain that they had it all under control and it was just a question of how and when they press the buttons......

They and their equivalents on Bluemoon are just - understandably - stumbling around in a daze and well, frankly - seriously butt-hurt​

You are right - I haven't even looked at the politics forum on here until recently. I have been a part of the tiny Leave minority posting on the Guardian and I have seen everything you mentioned in your post on there. The overbearing arrogance, the blind belief that Leavers would die off and Remain would ultimately prevail and the abuse and biased moderating on there designed to create a Remain echo chamber.

And suddenly it has all turned to shit for them and they cannot comprehend the scale of their defeat :)

 

[Vic]

That is true of the years ago past....

But looking to the recent, current and future...

If we leave with no-deal in the future - a key reason will be Corbyn not working with other Remain parties to sign off May's shit ultra soft Brexit because he was too busy playing self-serving politics seeking to get himself in as PM

Had he either voted for May's deal or let someone else (a Labour Party MP) lead a government following a no confidence vote - then Brexit would have been killed and the risk of a future no deal would not exist

What a self-serving fucker - thankfully

Fuck - did he read the mood of the electorate badly!!!!

I shouldn't really, but what ultra soft Brexit was that?

 

[mcfc1632]

You are right - I haven't even looked at the politics forum on here until recently. I have been a part of the tiny Leave minority posting on the Guardian and I have seen everything you mentioned in your post on there. The overbearing arrogance, the blind belief that Leavers would die off and Remain would ultimately prevail and the abuse and biased moderating on there designed to create a Remain echo chamber.

And suddenly it has all turned to shit for them and they cannot comprehend the scale of their defeat :)

Oh yes - we had that in spades - it was like a couple of the key Remainers had a clock ticking so they could gloatingly count down a) the beat rate of the Leavers passing away and b) the rate of young (and therefore of course Remain voters) being old enough to vote.

There were many posts on it - although strange how the events of December 2019 seem to have undermined those confident assumptions about how every young person was a Remainer.

We need to show patience and kindness to help them get through the understandable fugue they are stumbling about in

 

[mcfc1632]

I shouldn't really, but what ultra soft Brexit was that?

Well - given that I would have voted Remain before I would have voted for May's deal - is that a big enough clue...…..?

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Oh yes - we had that in spades - it was like a couple of the key Remainers had a clock ticking so they could gloatingly count down a) the beat rate of the Leavers passing away and b) the rate of young (and therefore of course Remain voters) being old enough to vote.

There were many posts on it - although strange how the events of December 2019 seem to have undermined those confident assumptions about how every young person was a Remainer.

We need to show patience and kindness to help them get through the understandable fugue they are stumbling about in

The Youthquake, tactical voting, judicial reviews, People's Vote, Bent Bercow rulings and so on seem a lifetime away already.

 

[mcfc1632]

The Youthquake, tactical voting, judicial reviews, People's Vote, Bent Bercow rulings and so on seem a lifetime away already.

I have been searching - without success so far - for clips of Bercow and Gina Miller when the exit poll came out. I am really keen to see their distraught faces - they seem to have disappeared now strangely.

They were probably lining themselves up for countless smug appearances on various media outlets before the GE - and now the phone has probably gone very quiet.

Bless

 

[west didsblue]

Some people will have their lives wrecked by this crap.

I'm just not letting those who think it's a good idea start blaming anyone other than the Tory party when it does turn out crap.

You are, of course, correct that any negative fallout from Brexit will be 100% down to the Tories - Cameron for setting up an ill conceived referendum that he arrogantly thought he couldn’t lose so didn’t bother making sure that the Brexit option was properly defined. Then Johnson for implementing a version of Brexit that introduces an internal border within the UK and not being honest about the economic impact predicted by his own civil servants.

Having said all that, Corbyn has been in a position to influence it at two key stages. He went missing for the 2016 campaign which I believe handed a lot of Labour votes to Leave. He then failed to resign after the 2017 election when he lost to the worst Tory campaign in living memory after 7 years of austerity, instead believing that the increased share of the vote since 2015 was some sort of victory that gave him the right to carry on as leader. Since then his ineffective leadership has led to the bizarre situation that many Labour voters have actually voted for a continuation of rule by a party that has heaped misery on them since 2010, believing Johnson to be somehow nothing to do with previous administrations in spite of being in the cabinet for much of the time.

 

[Len Rum]

I have been searching - without success so far - of clips of Bercow and Gina Miller when the exit poll came out. I am really keen to see their distraught faces - they seem to have disappeared now strangely.
They were probably lining themselves up for countless smug appearances on various media outlets before the GE - and now the phone has probably gone very quiet.
Bless

Mate for someone who bottled it on election day, you certainly are larging it now.
Here pussy pussy.

 

[Ban-jani]

Remainers are gutted as they bet the house on overturning the Leave vote and ensuring that the UK stayed in the EU. They had the option of voting for May's soft Brexit deal, which became even softer when she entered into negotiations with Labour. However they calculated they could get far more than that and voted it down.

As Jim Bowen used to say..'This is what you could have won'...

Never mind, it was only the speed boat..

Utterly incorrect and a generalisation.

I’m a remain voter and would vote remain every single time of asking but I accept the public wishes to leave and that is what we should do.

 

[Metal Biker]

I have been searching - without success so far - of clips of Bercow and Gina Miller when the exit poll came out. I am really keen to see their distraught faces - they seem to have disappeared now strangely.

They were probably lining themselves up for countless smug appearances on various media outlets before the GE - and now the phone has probably gone very quiet.

Bless

Chakrabarti's face on CH4 was a treasure.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I shouldn't really, but what ultra soft Brexit was that?

It was a true compromise. Mays attempt to please everyone pleased no one - too Brexity for Remainers, not Brexity enough for leavers. Both sides voted it down and effectively played a game of high stakes poker with leave vs remain. This would appear to have spectacularly back fired on Remainers who had they been a little more conciliatory could have got mays deal through and seen it further amended and watered down to BRINO. Instead they went 'double or quits' and fucked it all up. Silly cunts.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

We'll never know without another referendum. But we all know why you didn't want one. You'd have expected to lose.

Well hopefully we will have one in about 40 years time. Can’t wait

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Utterly incorrect and a generalisation.

I’m a remain voter and would vote remain every single time of asking but I accept the public wishes to leave and that is what we should do.

I think there’s a lot of remain voters now who accept that we are leaving and we have to. I also think during all of this noise from the people’s vote campaign lots of remainers had accepted it then.

I think an extreme remain voice took over and failed to recognise how out of touch they were. They could have had a soft brexit, but didn’t vote for it, which now looking back, makes no sense

 

[Ban-jani]

I think there’s a lot of remain voters now who accept that we are leaving and we have to. I also think during all of this noise from the people’s vote campaign lots of remainers had accepted it then.

I think an extreme remain voice took over and failed to recognise how out of touch they were. They could have had a soft brexit, but didn’t vote for it, which now looking back, makes no sense

Soft Brexit is utterly pointless and always has been.

I’ve never been in favour of it.

The UK being locked into EU legislation without having a say and without being able to trade on our own terms elsewhere, without the EU’s say so? All this without having a seat at the table?

Absolutely fucking not.

It’s remain or we properly leave, none of this half arsed shite.

 

[Vic]

Still waiting for an explanation of what this "ultra soft Brexit" was. Some real revisionism going on already - by the winners! As for "out of touch" you all know you'd have lost a second referendum.