Yep - all Remain parties would have backed a NU government under a moderate or less dangerous Labour leaderThey could have worked together but didn’t. They could have fucked Johnson’s GE off by a vote of no confidence and organising a government of national unity, but Corbyn refused to not be its leader and Swinson refused to let Corbyn lead it.
Brexit was all about the media convincing the floaters that labour caused the immigration crisis . They did not take much convincing there is an underlying racist mindset that the press whipped into a tide of xenophobic hysteria . 900 yrs of isolation will do that. Now that we are aligned with the redneck trump supporters civil unrest is guaranteed
Yep - all Remain parties would have backed a NU government under a moderate or less dangerous Labour leader
Corbyn should have put the country first
Posters call Johnson a **** fir his character issues
When you think about this angle surely that appellation suits Corbyn perfectly
There most likely will be unrest, but it won't be coming from those he accuses. He'd have to look a little closer to home for that.ffs, you lost the argument 3 times with claptrap like this and having lost a democratic vote again ,again and again, you now are saying civil unrest is GUARANTEED
so , is that it now , calling people thick racists didn’t win the argument , so you are just going to go out and twat people who have a different political view to you.
most people just want to get in with their life.
Some things go beyond what's the best economic policy. For example, it's not usually economically a great idea to go to war, but unfortunately sometimes you just have to. If we have voted to leave the EU, then leave we must and if it's economically damaging then we will have to accept that and deal with it.Whilst that is undoubtedly excellent advice on a personal level, it is probably not the ideal grounds on which to base the whole of your economic policy............
There most likely will be unrest, but it won't be coming from those he accuses. He'd have to look a little closer to home for that.
Here's hoping.There won’t be any unrest. We don’t do that sort of stuff over here, not compared to a France.
Most people will give up caring soon enough.
Apathy is intrinsic to psyche of the British.
There won’t be any unrest. We don’t do that sort of stuff over here, not compared to a France.
Most people will give up caring soon enough.
Apathy is intrinsic to psyche of the British.
That’s another reason the Tories got in with a big majority. People had given up being arsed about Brexit and were more bothered about the dangers of a Corbyn led government.There won’t be any unrest. We don’t do that sort of stuff over here, not compared to a France.
Most people will give up caring soon enough.
Apathy is intrinsic to psyche of the British.
Its not 'inevitable' though is it? - Unless you have already made your mind up I suppose...Anyone thinking that the outcome of any trade talks with the US will be as beneficial to us as to the Americans needs their bumps feeling. We’ve already got a huge trade surplus with them and the Americans will make sure that the outcome of any deal will redress the balance. This will inevitably lead to deregulation at our end leading to inferior food and overpriced drugs.
Seeing as one of the main so called benefits of leaving the EU will be our ability to diverge from EU regulations it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out that some regulations will be watered down as a price to pay for a trade deal with the Americans. Unless, of course, Donald Trump has suddenly become altruistic.Its not 'inevitable' though is it? - Unless you have already made your mind up I suppose...
I don't think we'll be able to diverge at all until after 2020. Also, the ironically titled 'repeal act' sees all current EU legislation adopted as UK law. Longer term I share your concerns, but in the short term (this year) I think we'll get a decent deal as it will be political capital for both Boris and his orange twin.Seeing as one of the main so called benefits of leaving the EU will be our ability to diverge from EU regulations it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out that some regulations will be watered down as a price to pay for a trade deal with the Americans. Unless, of course, Donald Trump has suddenly become altruistic.
Trump won’t be there.
Nail on head.There's no way of knowing whether a UK/USA trade deal would be beneficial to the UK.
Trade deals are meant to increase trade between the two partners from which both benefit. However in many cases one side benefits ( usually the 'biggest' one) at the expense of the other or the deal has little impact.
A few points are relevant in this case.
' Experts' have predicted a small increase of only 0.2% GDP pa to the UK from a USA trade deal.
The Don might not be around when the deal is negotiated.
Both sides can't start talking serious turkey ( chlorinated) until we have finalised our relationship with the EU.
Such deals can take years to finalise ( although it could be fast tracked).
We currently have a trade surplus with the USA , Trump hates that so he (or his predecessor) may be looking to reverse it.
We only have NHS,pharmacy and access to our food market to offer the USA so it could be politically difficult for the government to offer concessions in those areas.
There is a very strong pro Irish lobby in the States (both Republican and Democrat). Any deal we do with the EU that enables us to do a better deal with the USA but which hurts Ireland (for example a very hard brexit or even no deal) could provoke a political backlash in America., bearing in mind that any trade deals have to be approved by Congress.
We will be the weaker negotiating partner. Read Trump's book The Art of the Deal.
In reality both sides will probably quickly reduce a few tariffs. Hail it as a great 'deal' and then spend the next few years arguing the toss about the details of a comprehensive free trade deal.
Sorry, I can't keep up with so many different ways to have hindsight.Strange for you to post such clear evidence of your state of denial Vic.
The GE results would seem to demonstrate the validity of both those articles
To answer my post properly - you would have been better off accepting that if Corbyn had the character to act in the UK interests and stood aside for another Labour leader - such as Starner - to lead the post VONC government then Brexit would now be finished
You know irs true - is it so painful to admit that you must just hide (behind the Express and Mail FFS)?