Another new Brexit thread

[Ancient Citizen]

People like Vic must live the most miserable of lives, absolutely no optimism whatsoever. It's just all negatives. I know many remainers but none are anywhere near as depressed or in utter denial as he is.

 

[mcfc1632]

I can only speak about personal feelings but i think this is a very broad and not particularly accurate generalisation of how 'remainers' feel now that the argument has been 'lost'.
I always fervently hoped that Brexit would be overturned but was never confident. I couldn't ever make the conversion of acceptance that some did - switching from a remain position to acceptance of the 'will of the people' - not when I believed so completely that leaving the EU was a fundamentally wrong decision fuelled by the mismanagement of UK politicians and referendum corruption. I still believe that. A great many Remainers are not Labour supporters or Corbyn fans and were desperate about the lack of a truly effective opposition party in the HoC. SNP tried their best but of course numbers were always going to hamstring anything they attempted.
So, I expect like many, I still feel Brexit is fundamentally wrong for the country. Butt hurt as you so eloquently put it, no. Desperately depressed about the state of politics in the UK, absolutely. Brexit blind in terms of seeing any upside of leaving, completely. I guess given time there may be a coming together and 'fundamentalists' like me will die off. For now though lets just enjoy what is about to unfold.....

Well you may not think that the post fits you that well, but it was not aimed specifically at you

I am still pretty confident that it fits a lot of people and organisations

Hindsight is 20/20 they say - how many people and groups that are anti-Brexit are now wishing, with hindsight, that the political parties had decided to go for a vote of no confidence, appoint a consensus leader and acted to get a 2nd vote held and Brexit stopped rather than concede to Johnson's request for a GE

I suggest a lot feel that way.

BTW - the description 'butt-hurt' - was also not aimed at you, but I would suggest that there are a lot of people - including some on here - that amply demonstrate the description to be entirely accurate

 

[Ban-jani]

Well you may not think that the post fits you that well, but it was not aimed specifically at you

I am still pretty confident that it fits a lot of people and organisations

Hindsight is 20/20 they say - how many people and groups that are anti-Brexit are now wishing, with hindsight, that the political parties had decided to go for a vote of no confidence, appoint a consensus leader and acted to get a 2nd vote held and Brexit stopped rather than concede to Johnson's request for a GE

I suggest a lot feel that way.

BTW - the description 'butt-hurt- was also not aimed at you, but I would suggest that there are a lot of people - including some on here - that amply demonstrate the description to be entirely accurate

The opposition parties have been a total disgrace throughout the whole thing.

Like the Tories, they’ve put party politics before the country.

 

[Vic]

People like Vic must live the most miserable of lives, absolutely no optimism whatsoever. It's just all negatives. I know many remainers but none are anywhere near as depressed or in utter denial as he is.

I'm not depressed. I'm not in denial. I just don't see what the positives are. I just hope the negatives aren't as bad as the suppressed economic assessments (and if they are not bad, why suppress them?). Why would I think it's not going to be crap just because people voted for it? Behind the bluster, Johnson knows it's going to be crap.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I'm not depressed. I'm not in denial. I just don't see what the positives are. I just hope the negatives aren't as bad as the suppressed economic assessments (and if they are not bad, why suppress them?). Why would I think it's not going to be crap just because people voted for it? Behind the bluster, Johnson knows it's going to be crap.

Glad to hear it Vic. Think positive and be optimistic and I hope you and yours have a good Christmas.

 

[Vic]

Well you may not think that the post fits you that well, but it was not aimed specifically at you

I am still pretty confident that it fits a lot of people and organisations

Hindsight is 20/20 they say - how many people and groups that are anti-Brexit are now wishing, with hindsight, that the political parties had decided to go for a vote of no confidence, appoint a consensus leader and acted to get a 2nd vote held and Brexit stopped rather than concede to Johnson's request for a GE

I suggest a lot feel that way.

BTW - the description 'butt-hurt- was also not aimed at you, but I would suggest that there are a lot of people - including some on here - that amply demonstrate the description to be entirely accurate

Well yes, with hindsight a lot of things might be different. E.g. if the Lib Dems thought fear of Corbyn would be bad for their chances, they shouldn't have played up those fears!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7794167/amp/Liberal-Democrats-blame-Jeremy-Corbyn-poor-general-election-results.html

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1147512/Lib-Dem-leadership-race-Liberal-Democrats-Jeremy-Corbyn-Jo-Swinson-Ed-Davey/amp

 

[Vic]

That's your biggest problem Vic.

You dont think, you assume and insist on everyone agreeing.

Some critical thinking over the last 3 years might just have led to a Labour government right now.

I agree but nobody listened to me.

 

[Vic]

The opposition parties have been a total disgrace throughout the whole thing.

Like the Tories, they’ve put party politics before the country.

Stopping Brexit was always about putting country before party. Unless you think it has advantaged the opposition parties in any way.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Stopping Brexit was always about putting country before party. Unless you think it has advantaged the opposition parties in any way.

Stopping Brexit was always about the losing side in the referendum having a Parliamentary majority to overturn a clear democratic vote. Fortunately, that situation has been completely reversed and now there is a Parliamentary majority to Get Brexit Done!!!

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Stopping Brexit was always about putting country before party. Unless you think it has advantaged the opposition parties in any way.

One thing I think all parties struggled with was that leave/remain cut right through traditional left/right political divides. Most politicians and media commentators would have found the issue a lot more straightforward if it could have been carved up neatly into a left vs right issue. The truth is both labour and the Tories are equally split on the issue as are the public. Corbyn sought to contain this division by fudging his brexit stance to try and appease all.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Well you may not think that the post fits you that well, but it was not aimed specifically at you

I am still pretty confident that it fits a lot of people and organisations

Hindsight is 20/20 they say - how many people and groups that are anti-Brexit are now wishing, with hindsight, that the political parties had decided to go for a vote of no confidence, appoint a consensus leader and acted to get a 2nd vote held and Brexit stopped rather than concede to Johnson's request for a GE

I suggest a lot feel that way.

BTW - the description 'butt-hurt- was also not aimed at you, but I would suggest that there are a lot of people - including some on here - that amply demonstrate the description to be entirely accurate

I completely agree about Remain parties working together. That they didn’t was almost criminal in its negligence. Many, including me have wanted that since the result. Both Corbyn and Swinson will/have paid the price for that but I have more hope to see Pigs flying than a credible unified effort from those two parties anytime in future. That’s why I think Scottish independence is all but certain. There is no party for us to vote for that in any way matches our values and has a chance of a majority in Westminster. The longer the Tories Remain in power, the more certain it becomes.

 

[yerwot?]

Brexit was all about the media convincing the floaters that labour caused the immigration crisis . They did not take much convincing there is an underlying racist mindset that the press whipped into a tide of xenophobic hysteria . 900 yrs of isolation will do that. Now that we are aligned with the redneck trump supporters civil unrest is guaranteed

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Glad to hear it Vic. Think positive and be optimistic and I hope you and yours have a good Christmas.

Whilst that is undoubtedly excellent advice on a personal level, it is probably not the ideal grounds on which to base the whole of your economic policy............

 

[mcfc1632]

Brexit was all about the media convincing the floaters that labour caused the immigration crisis . They did not take much convincing there is an underlying racist mindset that the press whipped into a tide of xenophobic hysteria . 900 yrs of isolation will do that. Now that we are aligned with the redneck trump supporters civil unrest is guaranteed

Fuck me - congratulations!!!!

Even for you that has to be a new PB

 

[mcfc1632]

The opposition parties have been a total disgrace throughout the whole thing.

Like the Tories, they’ve put party politics before the country.

Yep - all the main parties placed their specific party interests ahead of the country's.

It follows that only the party that have not fucked themselves over is the one that can be happy with the outcome

The others will just be remembered for having betrayed the country out of serving self interests

 

[mcfc1632]

Well yes, with hindsight a lot of things might be different. E.g. if the Lib Dems thought fear of Corbyn would be bad for their chances, they shouldn't have played up those fears!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7794167/amp/Liberal-Democrats-blame-Jeremy-Corbyn-poor-general-election-results.html

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1147512/Lib-Dem-leadership-race-Liberal-Democrats-Jeremy-Corbyn-Jo-Swinson-Ed-Davey/amp

Strange for you to post such clear evidence of your state of denial Vic.

The GE results would seem to demonstrate the validity of both those articles

To answer my post properly - you would have been better off accepting that if Corbyn had the character to act in the UK interests and stood aside for another Labour leader - such as Starner - to lead the post VONC government then Brexit would now be finished

You know irs true - is it so painful to admit that you must just hide (behind the Express and Mail FFS)?

 

[mcfc1632]

Stopping Brexit was always about putting country before party. Unless you think it has advantaged the opposition parties in any way.

Yet Corbyn did the opposite - he even put himself before the Labour Party's interests

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Brexit was all about the media convincing the floaters that labour caused the immigration crisis . They did not take much convincing there is an underlying racist mindset that the press whipped into a tide of xenophobic hysteria . 900 yrs of isolation will do that. Now that we are aligned with the redneck trump supporters civil unrest is guaranteed

ffs, you lost the argument 3 times with claptrap like this and having lost a democratic vote again ,again and again, you now are saying civil unrest is GUARANTEED

so , is that it now , calling people thick racists didn’t win the argument , so you are just going to go out and twat people who have a different political view to you.

most people just want to get in with their life.

 

[Ban-jani]

Stopping Brexit was always about putting country before party. Unless you think it has advantaged the opposition parties in any way.

They could have worked together but didn’t. They could have fucked Johnson’s GE off by a vote of no confidence and organising a government of national unity, but Corbyn refused to not be its leader and Swinson refused to let Corbyn lead it.

 

[mcfc1632]

ffs, you lost the argument 3 times with claptrap like this and having lost a democratic vote again ,again and again, you now are saying civil unrest is GUARANTEED

so , is that it now , calling people thick racists didn’t win the argument , so you are just going to go out and twat people who have a different political view to you.

most people just want to get in with their life.

We could refer @bellbuzzer to the 2nd half of that Pyke video - he might just recognise himself and a few others on here

Who knows - After a period of reflection he might change his style ;-)