Another new Brexit thread

[bluethrunthru]

So much (not just from you) on here about foreigners /immigrants, taking 'control' over the last couple of days from Remainers, and it's now come to light that remain is the choice of the far right extremists across Europe. The signs are clear, and all it takes is for good folk to turn a blind eye and it's 1930s Germany all over again.

what fucking BS - You choose to interpret things in a warped way - I am so far from 1930's Germany you clearly wouldn't believe it - you sir are nowt but a troll

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

what fucking BS - You choose to interpret things in a warped way - I am so far from 1930's Germany you clearly wouldn't believe it - you sir are nowt but a troll

I understand your hurt. As a leave supporter I've had to tolerate years of accusation /innuendo that I'm something I'm not. I don't actually believe anyone on here is extreme, at worst folk are just bit set in their views. I'm sorry if drawing a parallel between the alliance of European far right political groups and Remainers with the weimar Republic causes offence, but you could stop banging on about taking control and foreigners as if they are the enemy then perhaps the comparison would not be so apt.

 

[Chris in London]

I understand your hurt. As a leave supporter I've had to tolerate years of accusation /innuendo that I'm something I'm not. I don't actually believe anyone on here is extreme, at worst folk are just bit set in their views. I'm sorry if drawing a parallel between the alliance of European far right political groups and Remainers with the weimar Republic causes offence, but you could stop banging on about taking control and foreigners as if they are the enemy then perhaps the comparison would not be so apt.

You either believe it’s a genuine parallel or you’re WUMming aren’t you? Which is it, may I ask?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

You either believe it’s a genuine parallel or you’re WUMming aren’t you? Which is it, may I ask?

I don't for one minute believe that anyone on here is a nazi. I do however find it interesting to say the least that the issue of immigrants/foreigners and taking control is now constantly raised by Remainers - apparently just to show holes in the leave argument, but at a time when the far right across the EU are adopting a remain/pro EU position. When leave aligned with far right aspirations that was enough to tar leavers with the far right brush, but for some reason Remainers feel they are exempt from being adjudged by the same standard. My own feeling is that desperation is now forcing Remainers to choose poor bedfellows.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I understand your hurt. As a leave supporter I've had to tolerate years of accusation /innuendo that I'm something I'm not. I don't actually believe anyone on here is extreme, at worst folk are just bit set in their views. I'm sorry if drawing a parallel between the alliance of European far right political groups and Remainers with the weimar Republic causes offence, but you could stop banging on about taking control and foreigners as if they are the enemy then perhaps the comparison would not be so apt.

If I see anyone as my enemy its not foreigners it you my friend and those like you who have taken away from me and my children opportunity and freedom in return for a dark present and a darker future.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

If I see anyone as my enemy its not foreigners it you my friend and those like you who have taken away from me and my children opportunity and freedom in return for a dark present and a darker future.

I think you've been watching too much Lord of the rings / star wars mate.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I think you've been watching too much Lord of the rings / star wars mate.

Oddly enough never seen anything of either of them. Not my cuppa tea.

 

[Chris in London]

I don't for one minute believe that anyone on here is a nazi. I do however find it interesting to say the least that the issue of immigrants/foreigners and taking control is now constantly raised by Remainers - apparently just to show holes in the leave argument, but at a time when the far right across the EU are adopting a remain/pro EU position. When leave aligned with far right aspirations that was enough to tar leavers with the far right brush, but for some reason Remainers feel they are exempt from being adjudged by the same standard. My own feeling is that desperation is now forcing Remainers to choose poor bedfellows.

Sorry, that wasn’t what I asked. You posted this:

it's now come to light that remain is the choice of the far right extremists across Europe. The signs are clear, and all it takes is for good folk to turn a blind eye and it's 1930s Germany all over again.

Initially I ignored it because I thought it was a completely idiotic post. If that’s your view, however, you’re entitled to it. But you later post seemed to suggest you were just wumming. I just wondered which it was. Were you just wumming or do you think the signs are clear that within the EU the events of 1930s Germany are in danger of being repeated?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Sorry, that wasn’t what I asked. You posted this:



Initially I ignored it because I thought it was a completely idiotic post. If that’s your view, however, you’re entitled to it. But you later post seemed to suggest you were just wumming. I just wondered which it was. Were you just wumming or do you think the signs are clear that within the EU the events of 1930s Germany are in danger of being repeated?

If good folk (as I largely believe Remainers to be) are prepared to ideologicaly get into bed with the far right, then yes. In practice though I still have enough faith in the common memory of events in the 20th century and decency (for want of a better word) to prevent 1930's Germany repeating itself in my lifetime. I realise I'm not a particularly bright bloke, but it may be that my limited powers of expression lead you to believe that I'm a wum or an idiot just because you don't agree with me.

 

[Chris in London]

If good folk (as I largely believe Remainers to be) are prepared to ideologicaly get into bed with the far right, then yes. In practice though I still have enough faith in the common memory of events in the 20th century and decency (for want of a better word) to prevent 1930's Germany repeating itself in my lifetime. I realise I'm not a particularly bright bloke, but it may be that my limited powers of expression lead you to believe that I'm a wum or an idiot just because you don't agree with me.

Well the view you expressed is either the one you genuinely hold, or it isn’t. If it isn’t, I don’t see how you could say you are doing anything other than wumming. If it is, well your opinions are your own and you’re entitled to them. If you do think that the EU is dangerously close to becoming a new version of the Weimar Republic that’s up to you. Just like my view, that such an opinion is idiotic if you genuinely hold it, is mine.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Well the view you expressed is either the one you genuinely hold, or it isn’t. If it isn’t, I don’t see how you could say you are doing anything other than wumming. If it is, well your opinions are your own and you’re entitled to them. If you do think that the EU is dangerously close to becoming a new version of the Weimar Republic that’s up to you. Just like my view, that such an opinion is idiotic if you genuinely hold it, is mine.

I don't think the EU is. Its the ideological alliance between the far right and the apparently 'nice' people who support remain that bears comparison. Also the constant posts about us not being in 'control' because we allow foreigners to make our passports, run our utilities or licence our fishing. This anti-foreigner sentiment from Remainers seems also to be global in its hostility towards any trade deal with the US or China. It's these same apparently liberal folk who would have us believe that all this is less xenophobic than wanting to exit the EU. If it weren't so sinister it would be funny.

 

[Chris in London]

I don't think the EU is. Its the ideological alliance between the far right and the apparently 'nice' people who support remain that bears comparison. Also the constant posts about us not being in 'control' because we allow foreigners to make our passports, run our utilities or licence our fishing. This anti-foreigner sentiment from Remainers seems also to be global in its hostility towards any trade deal with the US or China. It's these same apparently liberal folk who would have us believe that all this is less xenophobic than wanting to exit the EU. If it weren't so sinister it would be funny.

It’s okay to admit you were wumming. This is a safe space :)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It’s okay to admit you were wumming. This is a safe space :)

Lost me there - way too clever for me it seems.

 

[hilts]

You've certainly repeated it, enough times.

We certainly can’t have repetition in the brexit thread:-)

 

[mcfc1632]

Wow - what a difference a month makes......

Oh how the likes of Grieve, Soubry, Benn, Swinson must ache for those wondaful days of a golden autumn when their every day was taken up by scheming and plotting in the confidence that they could place into law any whim and they could indulge themselves in speech after speech - interview after interview. They could just luxuriate in the knowledge that they were so in demand - with a throng of media hanging on their every word - and here we are now......

Most of them now have no relevance and are receiving no calls from the media - bless. The people that I really feel some sympathy for are those left in positions where they have to go through the process of opposition and protesting - whilst knowing that their every effort is a total waste of time, people such as those drafting the Labour and LibDem amendments to be discussed next week:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/b...ntability-brexit-latest-boris-johnson-1354194

The likes of Grieve, Soubry, Benn, Swinson deserve nothing but contempt - as does the windbag Davey. But somewhere in the bowels of those parties there are some people grafting to discuss, write and process these amendments - in the sure knowledge that their efforts are utterly futile and entirely wasted.

From the POV of a Leave supporter that has endured the machinations of the self-serving fuckers like Grieve, Soubry, Benn, Swinson - it is really satisfying and provides hope for the UK's health

 

[Metal Biker]

We certainly can’t have repetition in the brexit thread:-)

We certainly can’t have repetition in the brexit thread:-)

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

No that's not capitalism, it's called monopolistic trading. It's what happens when cartels establish themselves in markets. And the supermarket arena is now a virtual cartel with less than 6 major players.
In such situations, rules should be set so they are forced to share a good percentage of their profits with their suppliers.

Isn't that a bit like ............Socialism?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The Labour Party seem to have started the New Year off demonstrating that they are totally in touch with the electorate and learned all the key lessons from the GE - not

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...-johnsons-transition-period-cliff-edge/02/01/

They've learned absolutely nothing, in fact, they're even more out of touch than before the GE, and it's
perplexing, there is no awareness, or acceptance, of what has just happened, of what's been happening for
over 3 years, this really is a party rapidly on the slide.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You have to love a trier :)

Corbyn is tabling an amendment to the WAB committing the UK to extend the transition period if no trade agreement has been reached by June.

Edit: just seen that this has already been referenced :)

Yes, it has, and it's utterly amazing, although with this serial protester still polluting their hierarchy I suppose we
shouldn't be surprised. What on earth is the point of wasting everyone's time with crap like this FFS?

 

[Metal Biker]

Yes, it has, and it's utterly amazing, although with this serial protester still polluting their hierarchy I suppose we
shouldn't be surprised. What on earth is the point of wasting everyone's time with crap like this FFS?

Corbyn is shouting in a cave and being emboldened by the echoes.