Another new Brexit thread

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Gaudion M said:
I think you will find that post Jan 31st they would stop you until you meet some criteria and fill in a load of forms, and you would not have access to healthcare etc so you would need to go private for anything like that. If you genuinely want to retire to the EU you are not in a good place right now.
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*gasp* are you suggesting the Europeans not the friendly sort you've all made them out to be? Why would they "stop" anyone?

If you want to retire to the EU, you'll fill those forms, you'll pay what needs to be paid. It is no longer the responsibility or the advocacy of the UK public or it's institutions.

You want to move, you move. It's your decision, no-one elses, and if you care that much about it, you'll do it regardless.
 
Chippy_boy said:
That's a misleading statement at best. At the moment, we have unconditional right to live/work/retire in any EU country and in all probability these rights will disappear post-Brexit.

Sure, you can *apply* to live/work/retire in another EU country, but that does NOT mean "nobody is stopping you". Absolutely the local country may stop you. Or they may impose restrictions which effectively stop you - such as you having to prove financial independence or have minimum savings levels for example.

It is disingenuous to say "nobody is stopping you". For a large number of people - I would suggest probably for the majority - their right to live/work/retire abroad in the EU will soon vanish.
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It's not misleading, it's being misinterpreted.

"Sure, you can *apply* to live/work/retire in another EU country" exactly, that's all that needs to be said on this. No-one is stopping anyone from applying, what happens after that is not the business of the British public. It's between them and the nation they apply to become a citizen of.

We have no right to tell any other nation to accept citizens if they don't match their criteria.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
*gasp* are you suggesting the Europeans not the friendly sort you've all made them out to be? Why would they "stop" anyone?

If you want to retire to the EU, you'll fill those forms, you'll pay what needs to be paid. It is no longer the responsibility or the advocacy of the UK public or it's institutions.

You want to move, you move. It's your decision, no-one elses, and if you care that much about it, you'll do it regardless.
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There is nothing to stop you other than what you earn or what you are worth. So, Nigel Lawson can happily go and live in France and, post his Brexit dream coming true, will be doing. You, on the other hand, cannot.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
What are you even talking to me about. You're just waffling.

Either advocate for EFTA after brexit or don't claim that you ever would have done.
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EFTA is pointless, we might as well stay in.

I’d rather Johnson’s WA and the hopeful FTA than EFTA.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
There is nothing to stop you other than what you earn or what you are worth. So, Nigel Lawson can happily go and live in France and, post his Brexit dream coming true, will be doing. You, on the other hand, cannot.
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That was a factor even being in the EU, buddy.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
It's not misleading, it's being misinterpreted.

"Sure, you can *apply* to live/work/retire in another EU country" exactly, that's all that needs to be said on this. No-one is stopping anyone from applying, what happens after that is not the business of the British public. It's between them and the nation they apply to become a citizen of.

We have no right to tell any other nation to accept citizens if they don't match their criteria.
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You said. "You want to live/retire in a country in Europe, nobody is stopping you."

That is misleading. It implies anyone who wants to live/retire in a country in Europe can do so. That is not true.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You said. "You want to live/retire in a country in Europe, nobody is stopping you."

That is misleading. It implies anyone who wants to live/retire in a country in Europe can do so. That is not true.
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No it's not, it's exactly what it's intended to suggest.

Nobody can stop you from living/retiring in another country in Europe. People are being melodramatic (and pedantic).
 
Blue Hefner said:
I've just been looking at this on the thread. Your're right, it isn't difficult

Now - Anyone can go anywhere within the EU. Whether to travel, live, work or retire
Very soon - There will be restrictions
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Restrictions doesn't mean you can be prevented from ever migrating to a European country, does it.

You're on about things being more difficult, ergo "impossible". I'm saying that's hyperbolic melodrama. If there restrictions on living in another country, it won't be the British Public restricting you, and as I say, no-one should have the right to tell someone else what their migration policy is.
 
blueparrot said:
I know why it's happening, I don't even mind if you think it's worth giving it up for whatever reason, but lets not pretend it's not a right we are losing.
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You're not losing that right;

United Nations Declaration
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
(3) Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
 
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