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No I'm pretty sure you and MB don't understand freedom of movement, but carry on.
No - I am not referring to those exchanges between MB and yourslef

Your reply to my post shows that you clearly do not understand the basics.

I suggest that you come back when you can post something relevant to the question asked and not hide behind a convenient one-liner. I suspect though that you will not because you cannot deny the facts
 
You have no fucking idea. The vast majority I meet day to day are normal working class people who retired over here in Spain because of the difference in lifestyle and the fact that their pensions go a lot further.
They are now getting very worried as they won’t be able to afford the healthcare that they’ve been getting and unless they have a certain amount in the bank they will not even be able to get private (which many can’t afford anyway)
They are also worried that they will only be able to stay for a certain amount of time before they have to return. Thee are folk who have lived here years and suddenly find the rug pulled from underneath them.
Hopefully talk of the uk and Spain reaching an agreement will come to fruition but if not, make no mistake there will be thousands affected.

I reckon there will be a lot of this type of thing coming up as Brexit goes through - the perceived ills of being in the EU versus the reality of being out of it. Nice little things like being able to retire in Spain traded in for taking back control, which people will realise they don't give a shit about, and their lives are still as crap as they were in the EU.
 
It's not insincere at all to bemoan an opportunity that was once there that isn't anymore.
It is when the people on here doing it have previous for only wanting to deride brexit as "something evil".

A genuine person, with genuine concerns, i'd completely empathise with their position and point of view on the matter.

When the remoaner lobby on BM does it, crocodile tears.
 
This, coming from the guy who didn't read the article he posted then quickly went from "pfft, we've only disagreed with the EU 2% of the time" to "well 87% isn't that bad imo".
Posting links to articles that the poster either has not read or understood well is a 'growing trend' from some Remainers on here
 
It is when the people on here doing it have previous for only wanting to deride brexit as "something evil".

A genuine person, with genuine concerns, i'd completely empathise with their position and point of view on the matter.

When the remoaner lobby on BM does it, crocodile tears.

Well I can only speak for myself but I'd always quite fancied the idea of retiring abroad. Granted its 30 years or so off, but I might have to marry the missus (irish) to fulfill this now. perish the thought.
 
France is the driving force for the full integration - EFS in that model.

There are issues - as I understand it - between Berlin and Paris, but these are largely down to the concern of Germany with regard to the scope and pace of integration and the ability of that to be managed without further fractures and with some countries (southern ones) not being 'capable/ready'.

A thorough design of such a model would determine the criteria required to be met for those that meet the criteria to progress and others could be slotted into other Zones and progress when ready - with well defined interfaces between the zones.

For me it would appear that the planning of such a model would have become the vehicle for the realisation of the 5 Presidents strategy and address the risk of some countries not being able to 'make the journey'.
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Had Brexit not happened, I am sure that the 5 Presidents strategy would have led to such a design with a 'new Lisbon Treaty' being brought forward to confirm the constitutional changes and the planning of the transition.

Brexit has been a real bastard for that strategy.
Thanks for that.
 
The vast majority of the people complaining about losing the right to live and work in the EU have no intention of exercising that right. The percentage is tiny and most of them are middle class relatively well off people who don't give a fuck that freedom of movement has provided a steady stream of low skilled migrants that have suppressed the wages of working class people for years, and the vast majority of them will be granted a visa if they apply for one.
Throughout this process there has been many examples of Remainers crying about what might be and using anything and everything they can latch on to as they try to present the UK in a bad light / weak position.

This argument should be considered after there is settlement between the UK and the EU-wide or between the UK and specific countries where the majority of Brits go to live.

I spend a lot of time in Cyprus and personally know a lot of people that would be affected. Whilst I hear people discussing the issue and of course everyone wants clarity and certainty - I do not hear a great deal of concern and angst.

Indeed - it is pretty much unthinkable that Cyprus would opt to make a decision that is negative towards the UK residents - indeed this could only become a real, rather than hypothetical, issue if the EU were to seek to impose some policy as part of negotiations. For Cyprus it would be a massive shooting its own interests in the foot. I am sure that the situation would be the same in Spain and other countries where there is a major retired UK population.

It does not need a Kissinger type negotiation to sort arrangements out - in fact it is all very straight-forward - so yes, it is likely that all those making a big issue of it now before the negotiation outcome is understood are either:

  • People with genuine concerns because it affects their plans and their nervous disposition leads them not to be able to think logically and await the outcome of negotiations
  • People who are currently retired abroad and of course want certainty and any uncertainty fuels their, currently unfounded, anxiety - but again the likely outcome is one of fair and reasonable agreements
  • People that are still in Brexit denial and are just looking to whinge and whine in their denial
Of course there are going to have to be 'procedures' and therefore it will not be as seamless as FOM - but you make an excellent point when you comment:

"The percentage is tiny and most of them are middle class relatively well off people who don't give a fuck that freedom of movement has provided a steady stream of low skilled migrants that have suppressed the wages of working class people for years, and the vast majority of them will be granted a visa if they apply for one."

When the impact within some areas of the UK of FOM has had is compared to a bit of inconvenience resulting from the need for filling a few forms in for intended retirees, the disingenuous nature of the arguments of some on here is fully exposed.

Also, it is clear that some on here clearly do not understand the inherent discrimination that FOM forces EU member states, such as the UK, to adopt
 
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So it boils down to giving you an excuse to take the piss out of a teenage girl. I have to say that the link is rather tenuous but if it floats your boat...

100% this.
They're whining about something they were never even planning on executing. It's crocodile tears.
Thanks for finally confirming that you agree that it will impact some people who might want to relocate to another EU country.

Just because you feel that you can experience the culture of the whole of Europe from your bedsit in Gorton doesn't mean that everyone has the same outlook as you.
 
So it boils down to giving you an excuse to take the piss out of a teenage girl. I have to say that the link is rather tenuous but if it floats your boat...


Thanks for finally confirming that you agree that it will impact some people who might want to relocate to another EU country.

Just because you feel that you can experience the culture of the whole of Europe from your bedsit in Gorton doesn't mean that everyone has the same outlook as you.
It's just a meme, bruh. No piss taking of Greta from me. You see that's how memes work, boomer.

I don't know why you hate people from Gorton so much to keep mentioning them when I don't even live there; a nasty past experience, perhaps? But you're just doing what you always do.

Oooh the 31st January cannot come soon enough. :)
 
I see Liam Fox is now giving interviews saying we need to stop focussing on doing trade deals and do more to be positive about our exports once we leave. Oh and its all the fault of civil servants.

Nowt like getting your explanations for failure in before it becomes obvious you have eh? Always handy to be able to blame someone who cannot answer back too.

 
*gasp* are you suggesting the Europeans not the friendly sort you've all made them out to be? Why would they "stop" anyone?

If you want to retire to the EU, you'll fill those forms, you'll pay what needs to be paid. It is no longer the responsibility or the advocacy of the UK public or it's institutions.

You want to move, you move. It's your decision, no-one elses, and if you care that much about it, you'll do it regardless.

Wrong - that is the whole point, you no longer have a right to retire there. It works both ways doesn't it, we wanted to control immigration and the ability to turn away dirty foreigners. EU countries gain the same when we leave the EU. They can turn us away, remove access to public services or even kick us out. You are suggesting that the EU are not being friendly when Brexit was a UK initiative driven by populist anti immigration politics. Who started not being friendly...
 
I see Liam Fox is now giving interviews saying we need to stop focussing on doing trade deals and do more to be positive about our exports once we leave. Oh and its all the fault of civil servants.

Nowt like getting your explanations for failure in before it becomes obvious you have eh? Always handy to be able to blame someone who cannot answer back too.



Big brief has gone round to ad agencies from DoIT on this recently. Would expect it to become a more prominent narrative as it becomes clear that trade deals in the time frame weren't possible.
 
Wrong - that is the whole point, you no longer have a right to retire there. It works both ways doesn't it, we wanted to control immigration and the ability to turn away dirty foreigners. EU countries gain the same when we leave the EU. They can turn us away, remove access to public services or even kick us out. You are suggesting that the EU are not being friendly when Brexit was a UK initiative driven by populist anti immigration politics. Who started not being friendly...
Do you have a right to retire to Australia?
Crocodile tears.

And you can stop with that usual racism/anti-immigration rhetoric remainers like to keep using. The ones talking the most about migrants on these threads have mostly been remainers like yourself.
 
It is when the people on here doing it have previous for only wanting to deride brexit as "something evil".

A genuine person, with genuine concerns, i'd completely empathise with their position and point of view on the matter.

When the remoaner lobby on BM does it, crocodile tears.

So you have empathy in theory but don't expect to see any evidence of it.
 
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