You denigrated one job sector to enhance your own; not cool. You advocate the need of cheap labour as some sort of necessary evil, it isn't. We accept it as a necessary evil because the alternative costs businesses a little more, to make certain products and their lifestyle more affordable for those who can already afford it, whereas those who never could attain that lifestyle still can't. "We live in a 24 hour society", yeah and what good has it done us all? A burning planet and mentally strained and abused humanity with oceans full of plastic.
Either we make FOM available for everyone, EU migrant and non-EU migrant alike (which would be a logistical and administrative nightmare) or we level the playing field with our own Australian-syle Points based system. It doesn't have to be the same as the Aussies, it can be made more lenient, or to what requirements we need, but what it needs to be is fair to everyone, not just those with an EU passport, and end the exploitation of cheap labour through requirement and necessity.
Well, I already apologised twice for if there was anything in my posts that could be inferred as denigrating particular sets of workers or industries. I've just re read my first post in this little exchange and can see what you have taken offence at and continued to take offence at despite my attempts to take the heat out of the exchange and which you have gracelessly refused to acknowledge.
No suprise though because you say above that I advocate the need for cheap labour despite the post you are quoting saying absolutley the opposite ie that I don't advocate it.
For the avodiance of any doubt, my point about care workers seeking other options is about firstly the transient nature of some care workers and yes, secondly about the perception that some jobs may be an easier way to earn a living. For all I and they know though it could be a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire. I'm not interested in a pissing competition with you though about what job or sector is harder. For what it's worth I've seen my son doing various low paid retail jobs to support his way through uni (on top of of what I give him) and I know from him what shoddy employers the likes of Sports Direct are.
Thankfully we do have some workers rights though, like the working time directive, can't recall how it came about but I am regularly asked to sign a waiver to it by UK based employers. I suspect this happens in retail too.
Rant all you like about whether a 24 hour soicety is a good thing or not, again you seem to be making the mistake of interpreting my comment as an endorsement of it. I'm torn on that but I suspect the next movement will be the deregulation of sunday trading hours rather than any rowing back.
Neither did you explain what is so wrong about my "attitiude" that people from the EU won't want to come to do the jobs that are needed in this country, (which is an opinion not an attitude and I'm happy to be proved wrong on it although the early signs pre brexit aren't promising) although maybe this is because you wrote this:
It's not just your attitude towards migrants, it's your attitude that you think people won't do the jobs required in this country. They will, but we refuse to be exploited and as so long as the EU supports a system that exploits workers, that exploitation will continue. We want it to stop.
Which missed the point again. It's a pity that the most recent indications are that the withdrawl agreement reduces the potential for protection of EU derived workers rights
https://commonslibrary.parliament.u...hts-and-the-new-eu-withdrawal-agreement-bill/
How do you think us leaving the EU will improve the lot of exploited workers in the retail, care and other sectors?
I'm all for an Australian points based system, although I don't understand it as well as I understand the New Zealand one. Assuming similarities this is based on a number of factors including skill and potential salary. I could go to New Zealand as a nurse, I'm pretty sure that if I applied for a permit based on the fact I wanted to work as a carer or in retail that my chances would be reduced. I see Johnson is now doing away, apparently, with the salary threshold that had been suggested. Why do you think this is and do you think it is a good thing?
My initial point was that post brexit the care industry will have a bigger staffing crisis than it does now. I stand by that and the explanation I gave for reaching that conclusion.
