Another new Brexit thread

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i kne albert davy said:
I wonder who'll be the last of the hold outs on here Hiro Onoda carried on for 29 years not believing his side could possibly have lost, maybe in a couple of decades Gina Miller will come on here and order the last one to lay down their keypad.
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It’s a bit of a Brexiter myth that Remainers don’t think it’s over and we’re leaving. The discussion has moved on to what being out will be like.
 
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Just one more to go.
 
west didsblue said:
You missed the bit about new EU regs that would affect our trade with Europe that we’d just have to suck up even if we don’t like them. That’s why we’ll be a rule taker with no say.
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That's because it's totally obvious and we are already compliant. This is true of any nation or trading bloc we wish to deal with. A key difference though is that although the EU may dictate the terms upon which we deal with their members, they no longer dictate how we trade outside the EU. I suspect we'll find mutually beneficial ways to deal with the EU and if not the focus of UK business will shift elsewhere over time. I wouldn't expect a great deal of change by next weekend if I were you, but by all means brim the car and get an extra pint of milk in on Thursday if it comforts you to do so.
 
i kne albert davy said:
I wonder who'll be the last of the hold outs on here Hiro Onoda carried on for 29 years not believing his side could possibly have lost, maybe in a couple of decades Gina Miller will come on here and order the last one to lay down their keypad.
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Gina Miller did the ‘Brexiters’ a favour. If it wasn’t for her then Theresa May’s WA would have been signed off without the necessary Parliamentary vote.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
That's because it's totally obvious and we are already compliant. This is true of any nation or trading bloc we wish to deal with. A key difference though is that although the EU may dictate the terms upon which we deal with their members, they no longer dictate how we trade outside the EU. I suspect we'll find mutually beneficial ways to deal with the EU and if not the focus of UK business will shift elsewhere over time. I wouldn't expect a great deal of change by next weekend if I were you, but by all means brim the car and get an extra pint of milk in on Thursday if it comforts you to do so.
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Why would I do that. I agree nothing will change for some time. The difference is that you think there will be a gradual change for the better and I think it will go the other way. Of course, if the government aren’t lying it will go shit a lot quicker.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
We went round this circle yesterday. It's quite simple. We will be aligned with the EU when brexit happens, unless for some strange reason a load of rabid brexiteers in parliament want to stay up Thursday night rushing bills or ammendments to our existing legislation through 3 readings and the house of Lords. Failing that we will be just as aligned with the EU next Saturday night as we are now. Once we have left however we arefree to make changes to our UK regulations as we see fit, and to not adopt further EU standards that we don't fancy. The net result will be a gradual move away from alignment. This of course does not suit the hysterical narrative of those trying to scare everyone with tales of 'crashing out'. Saj may then be said to have told the truth (or lied) the on both occasions I suppose.
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If I understand you correctly you're suggesting that the UK and the EU will agree a regressive trade deal starting with full alignment on 1.1.2021 and then introduction of tariffs and quotas as and when the UK deviates.
New one on me but who knows?
 
Len Rum said:
If I understand you correctly you're suggesting that the UK and the EU will agree a regressive trade deal starting with full alignment on 1.1.2021 and then introduction of tariffs and quotas as and when the UK deviates.
New one on me but who knows?
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Not talking about 2021 Len - I've as much knowledge as you on what the situation will be at the end of the transition (no idea), but as of brexit happening this week, the only significant change in terms of legislation /alignment is that we will not be members. Common sense would suggest we don't change much more in terms of alignment by Feb 21, unless of course the hardliners here seek to do so or the EU act in a spiteful way.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Come into my parlour said the spider to the fly.....................Trump knows Johnson will be so fucking desperate he will agree to anything to get a deal by 31/12/2020

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51250235
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I think it's just as likely trump will cut us a decent deal as an act of pettiness against EU 'liberals' as seek to pick the bones of the UK economy. I also think he'll be much more interested in our share of the global arms trade than selling us chicken breasts and pharmaceuticals.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I think it's just as likely trump will cut us a decent deal as an act of pettiness against EU 'liberals' as seek to pick the bones of the UK economy. I also think he'll be much more interested in our share of the global arms trade than selling us chicken breasts and pharmaceuticals.
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Trump needs to win in every deal ..... he views everyone on the otherside of the table an enemy ... we export more to the US than we import....you really think your assessment is correct?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Trump needs to win in every deal ..... he views everyone on the otherside of the table an enemy ... we export more to the US than we import....you really think your assessment is correct?
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No idea if I'm correct - just as you have no idea if you are. It does seem to me that my childlike optimism is nicely counterbalanced by Remainers determination to see every glass as half empty though. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle and neither of us are correct?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
No idea if I'm correct - just as you have no idea if you are. It does seem to me that my childlike optimism is nicely counterbalanced by Remainers determination to see every glass as half empty though. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle and neither of us are correct?
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Trump sees himself as the ace negotiator. Faced with a trade deal with an "opponent" that is up against a self imposed deadline that needs a deal with a major economy to show to his voters that he can accomplish something why on earth do you think someone like Trump wouldn't go for the throat? Thats not half full or empty thats an assessment of the situation based on both men's needs.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
No idea if I'm correct - just as you have no idea if you are. It does seem to me that my childlike optimism is nicely counterbalanced by Remainers determination to see every glass as half empty though. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle and neither of us are correct?
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Armageddon is all they have left :)
 
bluethrunthru said:
Trump sees himself as the ace negotiator. Faced with a trade deal with an "opponent" that is up against a self imposed deadline that needs a deal with a major economy to show to his voters that he can accomplish something why on earth do you think someone like Trump wouldn't go for the throat? Thats not half full or empty thats an assessment of the situation based on both men's needs.
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Why wouldn`t any of our future trading partners go for the throat. Who can blame them, I`d want our government to go for the throat.
 
r.soleofsalford said:
Why wouldn`t any of our future trading partners go for the throat. Who can blame them, I`d want our government to go for the throat.
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It’s a bit difficult to go for the throat when you’re effectively a sheep up against a wolf.

Although ironically the one area where the UK has some clout is in Financial Services so we’ll probably end up with a reasonable deal in that area and get shat on elsewhere, which will disproportionately negatively impact the more Brexit leaning areas.
 
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
No idea if I'm correct - just as you have no idea if you are. It does seem to me that my childlike optimism is nicely counterbalanced by Remainers determination to see every glass as half empty though. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle and neither of us are correct?
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If the glass is somewhere between half full and half empty then I am truly lost
 
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