Another new Brexit thread

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

that’s quite a rant, the team hasn’t even been announced yet

Blindness exists on both sides.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

that’s quite a rant, the team hasn’t even been announced yet

Get with the programme.

The EU holds every possible card there is and the UK will have to accept whatever crumbs they care to offer.

 

[west didsblue]

I appreciate the time you took to post that. I'm not sure you realise that the folk you would most like to reach (were it not too late) will have switched off around paragraph two.

They really should read the rest if they have any interest at all in reality.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Get with the programme.

The EU holds every possible card there is and the UK will have to accept whatever crumbs they care to offer.

We won't even be able to import EU crumbs :-)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

They really should read the rest if they have any interest at all in reality.

Can I respectfully suggest the trick is to make people want to do something, rather than telling them they should.

 

[BobKowalski]

I appreciate the time you took to post that. I'm not sure you realise that the folk you would most like to reach (were it not too late) will have switched off around paragraph two.

Took a few minutes. It’s a forum post not ‘War and Peace’.

And of course they will have switched off. It involves possibilities they are not comfortable with and instinctively reject. It’s a cultural divide that cannot be bridged.

 

[west didsblue]

Can I respectfully suggest the trick is to make people want to do something, rather than telling them they should.

You can respectfully suggest anything you want.

 

[bluethrunthru]

We will get what we get but the next three months is going to be UK posturing turned up to 11 with media ‘outrage’ as the EU declines to play along with it. It’s tedious, dull and predictable for the rest of us even if Brexiteers react with awed wonder as if seeing this movie for the first time.

Its going to be piss funny watching the Telegraph et al trying to dress up UK concessions in negotiations as mighty victories !

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Its going to be piss funny watching the Telegraph et al trying to dress up UK concessions in negotiations as mighty victories !

Not as funny as it is for people who don't live there. Remainers laughing at the negative consequences of brexit are like a man laughing at his own house burning down while he's still inside. Perhaps leavers do not have,a monopoly on stupidity?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Not as funny as it is for people who don't live there. Remainers laughing at the negative consequences of brexit are like a man laughing at his own house burning down while he's still inside. Perhaps leavers do not have,a monopoly on stupidity?

sometimes when faced with adversity comfort can be derived from knowing that you were correct all along

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Not as funny as it is for people who don't live there. Remainers laughing at the negative consequences of brexit are like a man laughing at his own house burning down while he's still inside. Perhaps leavers do not have,a monopoly on stupidity?

You are conflating logic with intelligence.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

sometimes when faced with adversity comfort can be derived from knowing that you were correct all along

It’s arguably the greatest feeling of all.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

sometimes when faced with adversity comfort can be derived from knowing that you were correct all along

name one thing you were correct about ?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Not as funny as it is for people who don't live there. Remainers laughing at the negative consequences of brexit are like a man laughing at his own house burning down while he's still inside. Perhaps leavers do not have,a monopoly on stupidity?

Don't be modest, they do.

Besides, I thought humour in the face of adversity was supposed to be an admirable British trait.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

sometimes when faced with adversity comfort can be derived from knowing that you were correct all along

It’s arguably the greatest feeling of all.

Have either of you tried wanking, sex, or holding a piss for ages and then going to the toilet? I'd rate all three as better than being 'right' about brexit.

 

[bluethrunthru]

name one thing you were correct about ?

You have to recall that we are still in the implementation period so the biggies are yet to come but lets say I was right when every time we were supposed to leave in 2019 and I said we wouldn't. I was right to say that there would be a border either on the Eire/Ulster border or in the Irish Sea and Johnson was just lying that there wouldn't be.

You also have to contextualise the post you are questioning. I was answering one specific post the thrust of which really was about the outcome and impact on Britain - and as I say we haven't got all the way yet.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Have either of you tried wanking, sex, or holding a piss for ages and then going to the toilet? I'd rate all three as better than being 'right' about brexit.

Have you seen how much time we spend in the internet? Of course we’ve tried wanking.

 

[KS55]

Your exact words were:
“Remainers who argue that leaving will be damaging economically are probably right.”
You can call it what you want.

You still dont get it. I cant "admit" something to which I dont subscribe. I am representing someone else's argument .

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

You still dont get it. I cant "admit" something to which I dont subscribe. I am representing someone else's argument .

Ffs, just tell him he's right and he'll stop going on about it. You don't have to mean it and he needs this sort of thing at the moment.

 

[KS55]

any news on those 40 new Trade deals that Fox promised he'd have ready and signed the day after we left the EU?

The main problem with potentially using GM as a benefit is that the land area of the UK is about 3% that of the US or China and probably a lot less when rural areas are compared. This means we’re only ever going to be a bit part player in that industry. We need to focus on niche specialist products not mass production of GM crops.
In answer to your point about doing research I have been doing and still can’t find any definite tangible benefits. It’s now about minimising the damage to our economy as far as I’m concerned and that will happen through the trade deal agreeing alignment with the EU on key areas. Government bravado and bullshit about not being aligned doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny.

1, The issue of GM is not confined to crops, that's your interpretation. I cited "Plants, livestock and people". Now, I don't know enough about genetic medicine to be sure of the size of the opportunity, but I take the word of my wife who is qualified in that field and she thinks it is the future of so much medical development.
In any case, the growing of crops is not necessarily the issue, but the development of the plants, which requires little land may be where its at.
2. While I don't subscribe to the view that the economy is the most important aspect of Brexit, you asked for an example to which I responded. But I did give you an example from the economy --- fiscal convergence-- which provides a potential game changer. We will be able immediately to set our own VAT rates and sales tax regime. This could rescue the high street and provide selective boosts to chosen areas. Boris has said that on day one we will zero rate feminine hygiene products, which EU refused us permission to do. (A small but important issue). If fiscal union or at least steady convergence comes about, and I am sure it will, that will be enormously damaging to some EU countries, but we will escape that damage. The days of tax arbitrage are coming to an end.
3. In general terms, the thing to do is to look to the possible future EU policies to gauge whether Brexit will be an advantage or not.
Edit PS EXAMPLE. If Scotland gains independance and joins the EU, how will their citizens react to tax rates: Vat, income tax etc, much higher than they enjoy now?