Another new Brexit thread

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hgblue said:
You do know it’s your side of the debate that’s crying wolf with your constant predictions of doom and gloom that haven’t happened and aren’t going to happen? Being condescending and arrogant is one thing, but being condescending and arrogant and wrong is actually quite amusing to watch.
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I don’t have a ‘side’. I’m going off what the government tell me. Trade will no longer be frictionless and the nation will have to wait 50 years to see the benefits
 
KS55 said:
1, The issue of GM is not confined to crops, that's your interpretation. I cited "Plants, livestock and people". Now, I don't know enough about genetic medicine to be sure of the size of the opportunity, but I take the word of my wife who is qualified in that field and she thinks it is the future of so much medical development.
In any case, the growing of crops is not necessarily the issue, but the development of the plants, which requires little land may be where its at.
2. While I don't subscribe to the view that the economy is the most important aspect of Brexit, you asked for an example to which I responded. But I did give you an example from the economy --- fiscal convergence-- which provides a potential game changer. We will be able immediately to set our own VAT rates and sales tax regime. This could rescue the high street and provide selective boosts to chosen areas. Boris has said that on day one we will zero rate feminine hygiene products, which EU refused us permission to do. (A small but important issue). If fiscal union or at least steady convergence comes about, and I am sure it will, that will be enormously damaging to some EU countries, but we will escape that damage. The days of tax arbitrage are coming to an end.
3. In general terms, the thing to do is to look to the possible future EU policies to gauge whether Brexit will be an advantage or not.
Edit PS EXAMPLE. If Scotland gains independance and joins the EU, how will their citizens react to tax rates: Vat, income tax etc, much higher than they enjoy now?
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1. I’ll take your word for it but as far as I know the UK is already a world leader in genetic development.
2. We already set our own VAT rate. It’s not the same across the EU. We opted out of fiscal convergence in 2012 anyway.
3. Depending on our deal, we may well be disadvantaged by future EU policies anyway and we will have no say in their formulation, so they will be more likely to provide an advantage to EU members at our expense.
 
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https://www.ft.com/content/458747f0-4187-11ea-a047-eae9bd51ceba
This is another example of the US pressurising potential UK export customers to buy their products even if they’re more expensive and less compliant with the requirement. It follows their pressure on Japan to not invest in the UK’s next generation fighter aircraft and buy American instead.
This is the behaviour of the preferred trading partner for many Leave supporters.
 
west didsblue said:
https://www.ft.com/content/458747f0-4187-11ea-a047-eae9bd51ceba
This is another example of the US pressurising potential UK export customers to buy their products even if they’re more expensive and less compliant with the requirement. It follows their pressure on Japan to not invest in the UK’s next generation fighter aircraft and buy American instead.
This is the behaviour of the preferred trading partner for many Leave supporters.
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Your desperation to clutch at brexit straws is leading you down a few dead ends I'm afraid. Plenty of examples of cut throat business in the defence procurement and aviation sectors with or without brexit. Happily. Making stuff that kills people and selling it around the world is something we do well.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Your desperation to clutch at brexit straws is leading you down a few dead ends I'm afraid. Plenty of examples of cut throat business in the defence procurement and aviation sectors with or without brexit. Happily. Making stuff that kills people and selling it around the world is something we do well.
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You missed my point which is the US will do us absolutely no favours in any trade deal and they will have by far the upper hand. They are prepared to use unfair pressure to get what they want with countries where their military is located.
 
west didsblue said:
You missed my point which is the US will do us absolutely no favours in any trade deal and they will have by far the upper hand. They are prepared to use unfair pressure to get what they want with countries where their military is located.
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Twas ever thus with the 'special relationship'
 
west didsblue said:
You missed my point which is the US will do us absolutely no favours in any trade deal and they will have by far the upper hand. They are prepared to use unfair pressure to get what they want with countries where their military is located.
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the US has the upper hand the EU has the upper hand the rest of the world has the upper hand.

I don’t think you have much confidence in where you live. I have to say I always found west didsbury a nice part of the world , affluent but cool.

Which upper hand country will you be moving to to escape this horror.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
the US has the upper hand the EU has the upper hand the rest of the world has the upper hand.

I don’t think you have much confidence in where you live. I have to say I always found west didsbury a nice part of the world , affluent but cool.

Which upper hand country will you be moving to to escape this horror.
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No idea what the point of your post is but yes, West Didsbury is a nice place to live. Not sure why I should have confidence in West Didsbury’s ability to negotiate international trade deals.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
well no but you live in the uk and a nice part of the uk and should have more confidence.
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More confidence in our government to negotiate a great deal for the whole country?
Nah.
Not based on what they’ve negotiated so far for the WA and not based on the fact that the three major markets in the world are all between 5 and 10 times bigger than us meaning that we need them more than they need us.
I’m fairly sure we’ll be ok here in West Didsbury but I don’t hold out much hope for some of the towns in northern England that rely heavily on EU trade unless we sign up to close alignment with the EU.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Not sure how they will make it work but a piece of good Brexit news it seems

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Europe plants to close - thats the NISSAN who partner Renault. Thats Renault who are mostly owned by the French govt? Someone needs to look up what they make in the EU. Stuff they make in the EU is limited to some vans and the Micra. The rest is here or Russia anyway. And of course the stuff made in Japan already.
 
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