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mcfc1632 said:
We are UK citizens - within the continent of Europe

Something that seems to have not been understood well by Remainers - the EU is not Europe
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Ain't what I said, the EU means nowt to our european status.

Europeans whether in it or not.
 
mcfc1632 said:
We have learned over the years:

Irish Nationalism, Scottish Nationalism and EU 'nationalism' = something noble and to be greatly admired

English people showing a bit of care about what happens to them = Something to be decried as 'little Englander' / jingoism
(nothing remotely as strong as deserving the label nationalism)

I have been shocked at how strong these sentiments are on here - and just how much of a desire some people have to run their country down
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A lot of it can be attributed to the dilution of our national culture, why should someone who determines themselves as being of different origin that English give a sod how much the English are denigrated. FOM in particular has been a great tool for the EU to depopulate the main 3 countries of their population by bringing so many more people in who aren't from their cultures, this has a knock on effect of strengthening the EUs hold on those countries because there are less indigenous people in those countries to fight back.

Scottish independence is fine, and let's all stick up for the Irish and the Catalonians, but the English are just little Englanders and we need to sneer at them at any given opportunity, it's no shock to me that those doing the sneering tend to be the people who support Labour, remain and Ironically Harry over the throne.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
And the world is watching, namely on how the EU treats one of its "neighbours" in this trade deal.

Talks of them "wanting" to give the UK a "worse deal" than Canada and Japan speaks volumes.
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Lol..... The EU are not driving any of this. Johnson is the one laying down the red lines just as May did. It seems to be the default approach from Tory HQ. Back yourself into a corner and sit back and blame others when you don't get what you want.

The EU are 100% entitled to act in their own collective interests, that is the whole point of it, the upside for members is significant clout when dealing with non members, the downside is they have to operate as 1 and contrary to what we are told they do it pretty effectively. They are not ever going to give us a deal that gives UK businesses a glimmer of competitive advantage over EU firms without paying in to the pot and accepting level playing field / common rule book provisions (as per Norway). Why would they? Tories/leavers can bleat all they want the EU have far far far less to lose in this. Don't blame the EU when we end up contemplating a red line driven limited trade deal that is neither free or friction less.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
And the world is watching, namely on how the EU treats one of its "neighbours" in this trade deal.

Talks of them "wanting" to give the UK a "worse deal" than Canada and Japan speaks volumes.
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The EU have outlined the framework of the deal. And filled in quite a lot. Didn’t you like it?
 
mexico1970 said:
A lot of it can be attributed to the dilution of our national culture, why should someone who determines themselves as being of different origin that English give a sod how much the English are denigrated. FOM in particular has been a great tool for the EU to depopulate the main 3 countries of their population by bringing so many more people in who aren't from their cultures, this has a knock on effect of strengthening the EUs hold on those countries because there are less indigenous people in those countries to fight back.

Scottish independence is fine, and let's all stick up for the Irish and the Catalonians, but the English are just little Englanders and we need to sneer at them at any given opportunity, it's no shock to me that those doing the sneering tend to be the people who support Labour, remain and Ironically Harry over the throne.
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Yer what? I mean as in...what does that even mean?

And what’s Harry got to do with it?
 
Boris today:-

From Brussels to China to Washington tariffs are being waved around like cudgels even in debates on foreign policy where frankly they have no place - and there is an ever growing proliferation of non-tariff barriers and the resulting tensions are letting the air out of the tyres of the world economy.
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Spoken by the man who just engineered the most significant exit of any country from its free trade deals and dismissed any talk of negative economic consequences as project fear.
 
Not a fan of Kuenssberg but I did lol. It’s been hell of a ride :)

‘When it comes to likely Brexit deal, we've gone from 'exact same benefits', to 'frictionless trade', to some friction, to now a choice btw Canada style deal OR what govt is calling Australia deal which is not a deal, but WTO arrangement with tariffs and the Irish protocol’ @bbc
 
BobKowalski said:
Yes. Obvs. Help me understand as I have no idea.
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Read it again I am not here to help you in any way, I suspect that you voted to Remain, you don't like the Tories and you believe that Harry is doing a good thing. You're part of the demographic of isolated minority unhappy anti-establishment people who hate the fact the country voted to leave.
 
mexico1970 said:
Read it again I am not here to help you in any way, I suspect that you voted to Remain, you don't like the Tories and you believe that Harry is doing a good thing. You're part of the demographic of isolated minority unhappy anti-establishment people who hate the fact the country voted to leave.
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I have read it several times. The bit I highlighted might as well have been in Klingon for all sense it made.

As for Harry. Really couldn’t give a shit.

Also you suspect I voted ‘Remain’? Nothing escapes your eagle eye does it.

Qapla!
 
BobKowalski said:
Not a fan of Kuenssberg but I did lol. It’s been hell of a ride :)

‘When it comes to likely Brexit deal, we've gone from 'exact same benefits', to 'frictionless trade', to some friction, to now a choice btw Canada style deal OR what govt is calling Australia deal which is not a deal, but WTO arrangement with tariffs and the Irish protocol’ @bbc
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that were many funny things in boris speech today even the way he presented it mainly looking at the ceiling but the line we want a Canada style agreement with the eu but if we can’t get that then we will look toward an Australia type agreement.

in other words in his cogs in his head, Brits like Australia and they want an agreement so if I invent a new phrase jobs a good un and people will think that sounds like a good deal.
 
mcfc1632 said:
We have learned over the years:

Irish Nationalism, Scottish Nationalism and EU 'nationalism' = something noble and to be greatly admired

English people showing a bit of care about what happens to them = Something to be decried as 'little Englander' / jingoism
(nothing remotely as strong as deserving the label nationalism)

I have been shocked at how strong these sentiments are on here - and just how much of a desire some people have to run their country down
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Well i would very much like to remain (groan) British and part of the UK...but you lot are throwing us under the bus...your English Nationalism is trumping (groan) my British Nationalism
 
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mexico1970 said:
A lot of it can be attributed to the dilution of our national culture, why should someone who determines themselves as being of different origin that English give a sod how much the English are denigrated. FOM in particular has been a great tool for the EU to depopulate the main 3 countries of their population by bringing so many more people in who aren't from their cultures, this has a knock on effect of strengthening the EUs hold on those countries because there are less indigenous people in those countries to fight back.

Scottish independence is fine, and let's all stick up for the Irish and the Catalonians, but the English are just little Englanders and we need to sneer at them at any given opportunity, it's no shock to me that those doing the sneering tend to be the people who support Labour, remain and Ironically Harry over the throne.
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I'll have a go at deciphering.
By three main countries, would that be the most populous? So Germany, the UK and France - or maybe Italy?
Depopulated? Loads of Brits on the Costa Del Sol, loads of Germans in Gran Canaria, not sure where the French have decamped to.
Am I getting warm?
 
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