Another new Brexit thread

[BlueAnorak]

We are independent. You reckon Ukraine which is fighting in an actual conflict with Russia thinks joining the EU means they lose their ‘independence’? There are countries who genuinely know what it is like to fight for their independence and the UK, for whom the fight for ‘independence’ is just cosplay.

I am also pumped at the idea we will be levying a £13 billion tax on UK consumers, subsidising UK industry and imposing additional red tape. Definitely in the ‘win’ column.

Three years ago we rejected a comprehensjve FTA as not fit for purpose and now a basic FTA is the main prize. How quickly our ambitions shrank.

Plenty of alternative sources of product rather than the EU. The £13bn tax hike on EU product also rather depends on EU stupidity.

 

[Metal Biker]

They are built here with parts from all over the eu, there will be threshold wher if that isnt frictionless it becomes more viable to have just one part crossing that border once. The finished product. Simple business planning. As there is no one making us have a border with friction why self impose one. Which is what Johnson suggested yesterday
Simply because we are getting. Johnson/ Cummings brexit.

If's, speculations and theories.
I'll debate this with you when you've got concrete evidence things will pan out as you believe, otherwise we're just debating your "opinion".
I don't share your negative outlook.

 

[west didsblue]

If's, speculations and theories.
I'll debate this with you when you've got concrete evidence things will pan out as you believe, otherwise we're just debating your "opinion".
I don't share your negative outlook.

I haven't seen him say what he thinks will happen. He's stated a FACT that Johnson has announced there will be customs checks and hence friction. That doesn't mean it will happen as Johnson is well known to be economical with the truth, and it is a typical Brexiteer bargaining position where we threaten to shoot ourselves in the foot then don't actually do it while the EU looks on in bemusement while we tie ourselves in knots.
IF we end up with friction at the borders it will have a significant impact on UK manufacturing. That might be just an opinion but there's a lot of good reasons why it is highly likely to be true.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

UK Gov announces this morning plans to bring forward by 5 years a complete ban on all sales of petrol, diesel and hybrid cars from 2040 to 2035.

The world over the car industry will face a huge challenge and its fuck all to do with brexit and everything to do with the climate change debate.

Its also as a direct response to Nissans promise to stay in Sunderland .... which they aren't going to do now are they?

 

[blueinsa]

Its also as a direct response to Nissans promise to stay in Sunderland .... which they aren't going to do now are they?

Are they not?

Did you discuss that at board level this morning with them?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I haven't seen him say what he thinks will happen. He's stated a FACT that Johnson has announced there will be customs checks and hence friction. That doesn't mean it will happen as Johnson is well known to be economical with the truth, and it is a typical Brexiteer bargaining position where we threaten to shoot ourselves in the foot then don't actually do it while the EU looks on in bemusement while we tie ourselves in knots.
IF we end up with friction at the borders it will have a significant impact on UK manufacturing. That might be just an opinion but there's a lot of good reasons why it is highly likely to be true.

Its not highly likely to be true - its fact. Put up boarders, create bureaucracy and threaten tariffs and the logical thought process is to change the supply line.

 

[Metal Biker]

Its also as a direct response to Nissans promise to stay in Sunderland .... which they aren't going to do now are they?

Nissan announces they won't be leaving Sunderland.

Anti-brexit, pro-EU remainer on BM: "They're lying".

 

[stonerblue]

Mate from day one of this debate three and half years ago it was obvious you were and still are in total denial of the referendum result and a quitter to boot. The guff you have posted in that time has been repeatedly proven to be utter nonsense. Sure we have problems as an economy but no where near as many as others in the world including the EU. If you don't like it pop over to the tax haven economy of the ROI, you know the one that we the UK bailed out 10 yrs ago!? or move north of the border to Sturgeons fanciful braveheart land which she convieniently forgets is subsidised by the rest of UK . We are the 5th biggest economy in the world, you would do well to remember that when you post your sniveling crap.

Or in other words, ''If you don't like it fuck off.''
As for 'posting guff, you're not bad at that yerself

 

[stonerblue]

yep - that post was seriously a great example of how it is actually the Remainers that are the ones that can come across as being a bit thick

Are you 2 fucking stupid or just blind?
Hannah was the first to post and i responded in kind in exactly the same manner. If my post is seen as making me look 'a bit thick' then so does Hannah's doesn't it.?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Nissan announces they won't be leaving Sunderland.

Anti-brexit, pro-EU remainer on BM: "They're lying".

Remainer (strange term that now), confidence in Nissan's forthcoming exodus seems to have hit the buffers.
As yet, London's dominance in the financial centre has not been overtaken by Frankfurt, and we've been out 4 days.

 

[west didsblue]

Its not highly likely to be true - its fact. Put up boarders, create bureaucracy and threaten tariffs and the logical thought process is to change the supply line.

Agreed. By highly likely I mean 99.99999%. The 0.00001% will cover a meteorite hitting continental Europe or some other random unpredictable earth shattering event.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I haven't seen him say what he thinks will happen. He's stated a FACT that Johnson has announced there will be customs checks and hence friction. That doesn't mean it will happen as Johnson is well known to be economical with the truth, and it is a typical Brexiteer bargaining position where we threaten to shoot ourselves in the foot then don't actually do it while the EU looks on in bemusement while we tie ourselves in knots.
IF we end up with friction at the borders it will have a significant impact on UK manufacturing. That might be just an opinion but there's a lot of good reasons why it is highly likely to be true.

the friction at the borders is because of the eu and how it regulates and protects its trading bloc vis a vis the world, it’s not the uk mate.

johnson said he wanted a free trade agreement and an end to global tariffs around the world not just with the eu.

it was the the eu who said the uk yeah I know you have left and we can talk about a deal with you but

you need follow all our rules and regulations, laws and submit to the jurisdiction of our court.

we need to have fishing access to your waters.

they may as well added and pay us 39 billion a year.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Its not highly likely to be true - its fact. Put up boarders, create bureaucracy and threaten tariffs and the logical thought process is to change the supply line.

are you talking about the eu or the uk here ?

 

[west didsblue]

the friction at the borders is because of the eu and how it regulates and protects its trading bloc vis a vis the world, it’s not the uk mate.

johnson said he wanted a free trade agreement and an end to global tariffs around the world not just with the eu.

it was the the eu who said the uk yeah I know you have left and we can talk about a deal with you but

you need follow all our rules and regulations, laws and submit to the jurisdiction of our court.

we need to have fishing access to your waters.

they may as well added and pay us 39 billion a year.

Nope, it will be WTO rules related to MFN that will cause the friction if we don't come to a satisfactory deal with the EU.

 

[stonerblue]

I will put my mortgage on it had Labour been in power and Corbyn taking us out he and many others on here would have been the biggest brexiteers on here.

Anti Tory anything is all they are.

Ooh, if i fall into the 'many others' category i'll take that bet?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

are you talking about the eu or the uk here ?

You could apply it to both - but the big ticket items like cars and aircraft are never going to be made 100% in the UK. They could be made 100% in the EU.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Its when the facts and logic are up for debate the issues creep in ;-)

I agree 100%

 

[BobKowalski]

the friction at the borders is because of the eu and how it regulates and protects its trading bloc vis a vis the world, it’s not the uk mate.

johnson said he wanted a free trade agreement and an end to global tariffs around the world not just with the eu.

it was the the eu who said the uk yeah I know you have left and we can talk about a deal with you but

you need follow all our rules and regulations, laws and submit to the jurisdiction of our court.

we need to have fishing access to your waters.

they may as well added and pay us 39 billion a year.

No. There will be friction at the border because it’s a natural consequence of leaving the Single Market and Customs Union which are the two things that guarantee no friction.

To repeat. Tariffs are simple. It is reducing non tariff and regulatory barriers that are the issue. To reduce these you need legally harmonised regulations and standards and a common tariff and trade policy. For this you need administration to write and regulate the rules and a judiciary to ensure adherence. In short you need something like the EU.

When May announced threes years ago we would leave the SM and CU then friction at the border became inevitable. It is a consequence of our choice. We have been telling you this for the last three years so have the grace to own it.

 

[mcfc1632]

You don't. You wouldn't get away with it.

You post as you troll.

And you'd just confessed to the calumny by admitting that you couldn't substantiate the "vast majority" nonsense.

Fuck - the level of bollocks that you post seems to reflect your increasing level of desperation

Am I supposed to feel embarrassed by changing "vast majority" to other wording - yet the point I am making is still utterly correct?

If so - fuck knows what crumbs you will be posting to convince yourself that you are making a point as the months of 2020 roll by

I will just have to live with your frustration

 

[Metal Biker]

the friction at the borders is because of the eu and how it regulates and protects its trading bloc vis a vis the world, it’s not the uk mate.

johnson said he wanted a free trade agreement and an end to global tariffs around the world not just with the eu.

it was the the eu who said the uk yeah I know you have left and we can talk about a deal with you but

you need follow all our rules and regulations, laws and submit to the jurisdiction of our court.

we need to have fishing access to your waters.

they may as well added and pay us 39 billion a year.

The EU, or at least the representatives of the 27 nations, are looking mighty jittery.

They've realised what they've lost, are now in the situation they hoped to avoid by chummying up to the Lib Dems, and have to face the reality that Johnson WILL leave without a deal if it doesn't use common sense and arrange an FTA.

That election win has 'liberated' the UK in it's negotiations as the EU reps now know they have to deal directly with a Governing Party with a large majority. I doubt EU businesses are too happy with them continuing to play "billy big bollocks" when they know and want an FTA with the UK. European business doesn't give a shit about the political side.