Another new Brexit thread

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All it's about is this:

A bunch of people who are dead set against Brexit are leveraging the word "chlorine" to put people off US-imported chicken. Because people think of swimming baths and world war I trenches and don't like the sound of that in connection with the food on their plates.

They have no understanding (nor interest) of the health risks/benefits, nor of animal welfare nor anything else. It's just "chlorinated chicken" = bad. Therefore US trade deal = bad.

Spin and nothing more.
Likely these will be the same people who still wash their chicken in water, thinking they're being hygenic when instead they're just spreading any germs on the surface.
 
@Blue Hefner @BobKowalski

I get your points and animal conditions and cruelty is something I am keen to uphold but the point of everyone banging on about chlorinated chicken is to scare the public about the chlorine.

They would have said the conditions they were kept in if not.
 
Bonkers, just chicken or other meat.
From what I hear, just chicken, at least to the point where there are now articles telling people "don't do it". It was scrolling through Buzzfeed that made me aware that this was actually a seemingly common thing people did.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/michelleno/hey-do-you-wash-your-chicken-before-you-cook-it
https://www.buzzfeed.com/michelleno/we-asked-experts-whether-washing-raw-chicken-was-legit-or
https://www.thekitchn.com/should-you-wash-raw-chicken-264251
 
@Blue Hefner @BobKowalski

I get your points and animal conditions and cruelty is something I am keen to uphold but the point of everyone banging on about chlorinated chicken is to scare the public about the chlorine.

They would have said the conditions they were kept in if not.

It’s shorthand for the differences in the two approaches. Prevention vs Cure. In Europe it’s about preventing contamination at source which means better conditions for the animals. It is also more expensive for the producers. In the US the approach is to reduce cost by allowing lower standards and curing the problems this brings with chemicals and washing further down the line.

You pays your money and make your choice as to which is ‘better’ but culturally the UK is in the European camp which is why the Govt is cautious over this issue and because the farm lobby is strong and will be all over this with commercials of chickens wallowing in their own filth etc, etc.
 
From what I hear, just chicken, at least to the point where there are now articles telling people "don't do it". It was scrolling through Buzzfeed that made me aware that this was actually a seemingly common thing people did.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/michelleno/hey-do-you-wash-your-chicken-before-you-cook-it
https://www.buzzfeed.com/michelleno/we-asked-experts-whether-washing-raw-chicken-was-legit-or
https://www.thekitchn.com/should-you-wash-raw-chicken-264251
Never knew this was a thing, one comment does mention washing steak as well. Done lots of cooking at home following recipe books watched loads of cooking programmes and never saw any mention washing chickens or meat of any kind. Live and learn. Might start a to wash or not to wash thread.
 
It’s shorthand for the differences in the two approaches. Prevention vs Cure. In Europe it’s about preventing contamination at source which means better conditions for the animals. It is also more expensive for the producers. In the US the approach is to reduce cost by allowing lower standards and curing the problems this brings with chemicals and washing further down the line.

You pays your money and make your choice as to which is ‘better’ but culturally the UK is in the European camp which is why the Govt is cautious over this issue and because the farm lobby is strong and will be all over this with commercials of chickens wallowing in their own filth etc, etc.

There has also been examples of it in the UK, terrible conditions and there are free range options from the US.

You get a choice and for me it’s a scaremongering story.
 
It’s shorthand for the differences in the two approaches. Prevention vs Cure. In Europe it’s about preventing contamination at source which means better conditions for the animals. It is also more expensive for the producers. In the US the approach is to reduce cost by allowing lower standards and curing the problems this brings with chemicals and washing further down the line.

You pays your money and make your choice as to which is ‘better’ but culturally the UK is in the European camp which is why the Govt is cautious over this issue and because the farm lobby is strong and will be all over this with commercials of chickens wallowing in their own filth etc, etc.

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And the fact you are having to explain it shows where the real problem lies.
 
There has also been examples of it in the UK, terrible conditions and there are free range options from the US.

You get a choice and for me it’s a scaremongering story.

Of course there are examples of people trying to save costs and bypass rules and regs and in the US there are plenty of organic and free range options but the first is a criminal act and the second is optional and as much about marketing than anything else.

The fact remains there are two methods of dealing with food issues. The European approach is to prevent problems and the US is to cure problems that lower animal welfare and lower sanitation methods bring. I personally favour the European method from an animal welfare perspective as much as anything else. If we adopt the US method then we are moving away from prevention to cure and lower standards in the production of food.

There is no scaremongering it’s just the objective difference in the two regulatory regimes.
 
It’s shorthand for the differences in the two approaches. Prevention vs Cure. In Europe it’s about preventing contamination at source which means better conditions for the animals. It is also more expensive for the producers. In the US the approach is to reduce cost by allowing lower standards and curing the problems this brings with chemicals and washing further down the line.

You pays your money and make your choice as to which is ‘better’ but culturally the UK is in the European camp which is why the Govt is cautious over this issue and because the farm lobby is strong and will be all over this with commercials of chickens wallowing in their own filth etc, etc.
You mean just like farmed Scottish salmon? There is a large element of hypocrisy in the U.K. about food standards. If it has fur or feathers ‘treat it right’ if it’s cold, scaly and out of sight, well......
 
Because you - being you - express a stance from the party that the UK is negotiating with and try and cement it as fact when all it reflects is an hypothetical and highly unlikely outcome based upon a highly unlikely hypotheses which is built on sand.

It just reflects how desperate you have become IMO
It's not a stance. It's an existing regulation about majority EU ownership. It even (on the face of it) means that Iberia, being UK-owned, might not be able to fly between Spanish cities.

You're the one whose stance is to threaten all this nonsense in order to get a deal. The "unlikely hypothesis" is your negotiating position.
 
There has also been examples of it in the UK, terrible conditions and there are free range options from the US.

You get a choice and for me it’s a scaremongering story.

Of course it is.

What percentage of UK food on shelves is organic? 10%? 5%? 2%? I don't know the number but it's not big.

People buy their Lidl £2.35 chicken in droves, and not the £8.99 organic, high welfare bird. Most people talk the talk about animal welfare but in reality don't walk the walk. They go for the cheap option and the shitty animal welfare every time.
 
Of course there are examples of people trying to save costs and bypass rules and regs and in the US there are plenty of organic and free range options but the first is a criminal act and the second is optional and as much about marketing than anything else.

The fact remains there are two methods of dealing with food issues. The European approach is to prevent problems and the US is to cure problems that lower animal welfare and lower sanitation methods bring. I personally favour the European method from an animal welfare perspective as much as anything else. If we adopt the US method then we are moving away from prevention to cure and lower standards in the production of food.

There is no scaremongering it’s just the objective difference in the two regulatory regimes.

I completely agree with your whole sentiment apart from the use of the word “chlorine”, which is being used as hyperbole. A sensible discussion around the whole process is needed but it just descends into “so you want chlorinated chicken?”
 
Of course it is.

What percentage of UK food on shelves is organic? 10%? 5%? 2%? I don't know the number but it's not big.

People buy their Lidl £2.35 chicken in droves, and not the £8.99 organic, high welfare bird. Most people talk the talk about animal welfare but in reality don't walk the walk. They go for the cheap option and the shitty animal welfare every time.

absolutely spot on.

I recall when all the right on chefs like Jamie Oliver were telling the public to buy organic free range meat and vegetables from farmers markets, delia smith spoke up for the poor. She said it’s nonsense it’s much better that industrial farming advances such that the cost comes down to such an extent that people can afford to give their family meat and vegetables each week.

not everyone can afford to buy their fruit vegetables and meat at local farmers markets or Borough market . Well snobby lefties can, whilst telling poor people who can’t afford it , that they must do so as well.
 
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