I'm tempted but I won't suggest we do what the official leave campaign promised....What's your view of the solution - apart from remaining in the EU or in a BRINO outcome?
We are Leaving the EU - there will be a lot of things to be managed - it is just a natural consequence of respecting the democratic determination of the UK electorate.
Some stuff will be easy some stuff will be hard. Some situations will be to our benefit and others will have an associated cost - but it is just stuff to be managed.
What's your view of the solution - apart from remaining in the EU or in a BRINO outcome?
We are Leaving the EU - there will be a lot of things to be managed - it is just a natural consequence of respecting the democratic determination of the UK electorate.
Some stuff will be easy some stuff will be hard. Some situations will be to our benefit and others will have an associated cost - but it is just stuff to be managed.
But apart from all that, what have the Romans ever done for us.I'll risk the wrath of those who think we're too late....
As EU members, we could expect to enjoy
1. Unfettered access to the largest trade block in the world
2. Free trade deals with countries around the world, including Japan, Canada and South Korea
3. Just-in-time manufacturing, the kind that supports millions of jobs in our automotive, aerospace and other sectors
4. Wide-open border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, with no customs or other checks between NI and the rest of the UK
5. Support for the Good Friday Agreement & active promotion of the Irish peace process, including PEACE funding (over EUR 1.5 billion between 1995 and 2020)
6. The freedom for UK citizens to travel, work, study and retire anywhere in the EU without needing visas
7. Scientific and academic collaboration
8. Shared space exploration
9. Participation in the Galileo GPS satellite cluster
10. Driving licenses valid all over the EU
11. Car insurance valid all over the EU
12. Pet passports that make travel with pets easy
13. Simplified fixed compensation scheme for flight delays & cancellations thanks to EU Air Passenger Rights.
14. European Health Insurance Card (EHIC)
15. Mobile roaming (calls, texts and data) at home prices
16. Portable streaming services (can watch Netflix etc. all over the EU)
17. Erasmus student exchange programme
18. Simplified VAT reverse charge mechanism for those selling across the EU
19. Safer food
20. Clean beaches
21. Enhanced consumer protection, including for cross-border shopping
22. Horizon 2020 (funding and assistance for over 10,000 collaborative research projects in the UK as part of the world's largest multinational research programme.)
23. Training courses for the unemployed funded by the European Social Fund
24. Disaster relief funding e.g. the 60 million euro we received for flood relief in 2017
25. Free movement for musicians and their instruments, bands and their equipment, artists and their materials etc.
26. Enhanced environmental protections
27. Court of last resort (ECJ)
28. REACH regulations & EU Chemicals Agency, improving human, animal & environmental safety around chemicals
29. Safer medicines thanks to pan-EU testing regime
30. Security cooperation and sharing of crime/terrorist databases
31. Participation in the European arrest warrant programme
32. EURATOM for medical isotopes
33. Support for rural areas ignored by successive UK Governments
34. Better food labelling
35. EU funding for the British film industry, theatre and music
36. European Capital of Culture programme, which has boosted cities such as Glasgow and Liverpool
37. Service providers (e.g. freelance translators) can offer their services to clients all over the EU
38. No UK VAT or duty on imports from the EU (great for online shopping
39. EU citizenship (it's a real thing with real benefits - look it up!)
40. Cross-border collaboration on taxes, to hold huge firms like Amazon and Facebook to account more than we otherwise could
41. Venture capital funding and startup loans
42. Legal protection for minority languages such as Welsh
43. Mutual recognition of academic qualifications
44. Legal protection for foods of geographic origin, e.g. Melton Mowbray pork pies
45. No credit and debit card surcharges
46. EU structural funding (eg. £2 billion to Liverpool) with matched private funding requirement
47. Supporting and encouraging democracy in post-communist countries
48. A bigger, stronger presence on the world stage
49. Use of EU queues at ports and airports
50. Products made or grown in the UK can be sold in 31 countries without type approval, customs duties, phytosanitary certificates etc.
51. Protection from GM food and chlorinated chicken
52. Objective 1 funding for deprived areas and regions
53. Financial services passport, enabling firms in the City to service the whole EU market
54. Strong intellectual property protections
55. University education in other EU countries at "home student" rates (many still have free universities.)
56. Mutual recognition of professional qualifications
57. Consular protection from any EU embassy outside the EU
58. Baseline of worker protections (which we can also improve on, of course)
59. The right to land fish in the EU (we send the EU half of all the fish we catch)
60. Enhanced medical research prospects
61. A friend to cosy up to against the might of the USA and China
62. Seasonal workforce to pick our fruit and vegetables
63. A vital source of medicines (we import 37 million packs a month from the EU)
64. Minimum 2 year guarantee on all products
65. Protection against unfair treatment in the workplace thanks to the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
66. Minimum of 4 weeks paid leave (introduced by EU in 1993, taken up by the UK in 1998 and later extended to 28 days in 2009)
67. More influence on environmental measures that transcend borders (we get to help shape the policies that 28 countries must follow)
68. A say in the running of the EU (now we're outside, the rest of the EU carries on but we have zero influence over its policies)
69. Cleaner air thanks to the EU Air Quality Directive
70. Legally enforced 14 day cooling off period on timeshare agreements
71. Some of the highest toy safety standards in the world
72. Protection of 500 bird species under legislation dating back to 1979, and amended in 2009
It actually cost us about 40p per person per day.
Fucked off back across the Irish Sea :)But apart from all that, what have the Romans ever done for us.
Never got this far in the first place.Fucked off back across the Irish Sea :)
None of the above is contingent on the UK being an EU member state, a truly absurd post.I'll risk the wrath of those who think we're too late....
As EU members, we could expect to enjoy
1. Unfettered access to the largest trade block in the world
2. Free trade deals with countries around the world, including Japan, Canada and South Korea
3. Just-in-time manufacturing, the kind that supports millions of jobs in our automotive, aerospace and other sectors
4. Wide-open border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, with no customs or other checks between NI and the rest of the UK
5. Support for the Good Friday Agreement & active promotion of the Irish peace process, including PEACE funding (over EUR 1.5 billion between 1995 and 2020)
6. The freedom for UK citizens to travel, work, study and retire anywhere in the EU without needing visas
7. Scientific and academic collaboration
8. Shared space exploration
9. Participation in the Galileo GPS satellite cluster
10. Driving licenses valid all over the EU
11. Car insurance valid all over the EU
12. Pet passports that make travel with pets easy
13. Simplified fixed compensation scheme for flight delays & cancellations thanks to EU Air Passenger Rights.
14. European Health Insurance Card (EHIC)
15. Mobile roaming (calls, texts and data) at home prices
16. Portable streaming services (can watch Netflix etc. all over the EU)
17. Erasmus student exchange programme
18. Simplified VAT reverse charge mechanism for those selling across the EU
19. Safer food
20. Clean beaches
21. Enhanced consumer protection, including for cross-border shopping
22. Horizon 2020 (funding and assistance for over 10,000 collaborative research projects in the UK as part of the world's largest multinational research programme.)
23. Training courses for the unemployed funded by the European Social Fund
24. Disaster relief funding e.g. the 60 million euro we received for flood relief in 2017
25. Free movement for musicians and their instruments, bands and their equipment, artists and their materials etc.
26. Enhanced environmental protections
27. Court of last resort (ECJ)
28. REACH regulations & EU Chemicals Agency, improving human, animal & environmental safety around chemicals
29. Safer medicines thanks to pan-EU testing regime
30. Security cooperation and sharing of crime/terrorist databases
31. Participation in the European arrest warrant programme
32. EURATOM for medical isotopes
33. Support for rural areas ignored by successive UK Governments
34. Better food labelling
35. EU funding for the British film industry, theatre and music
36. European Capital of Culture programme, which has boosted cities such as Glasgow and Liverpool
37. Service providers (e.g. freelance translators) can offer their services to clients all over the EU
38. No UK VAT or duty on imports from the EU (great for online shopping
39. EU citizenship (it's a real thing with real benefits - look it up!)
40. Cross-border collaboration on taxes, to hold huge firms like Amazon and Facebook to account more than we otherwise could
41. Venture capital funding and startup loans
42. Legal protection for minority languages such as Welsh
43. Mutual recognition of academic qualifications
44. Legal protection for foods of geographic origin, e.g. Melton Mowbray pork pies
45. No credit and debit card surcharges
46. EU structural funding (eg. £2 billion to Liverpool) with matched private funding requirement
47. Supporting and encouraging democracy in post-communist countries
48. A bigger, stronger presence on the world stage
49. Use of EU queues at ports and airports
50. Products made or grown in the UK can be sold in 31 countries without type approval, customs duties, phytosanitary certificates etc.
51. Protection from GM food and chlorinated chicken
52. Objective 1 funding for deprived areas and regions
53. Financial services passport, enabling firms in the City to service the whole EU market
54. Strong intellectual property protections
55. University education in other EU countries at "home student" rates (many still have free universities.)
56. Mutual recognition of professional qualifications
57. Consular protection from any EU embassy outside the EU
58. Baseline of worker protections (which we can also improve on, of course)
59. The right to land fish in the EU (we send the EU half of all the fish we catch)
60. Enhanced medical research prospects
61. A friend to cosy up to against the might of the USA and China
62. Seasonal workforce to pick our fruit and vegetables
63. A vital source of medicines (we import 37 million packs a month from the EU)
64. Minimum 2 year guarantee on all products
65. Protection against unfair treatment in the workplace thanks to the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
66. Minimum of 4 weeks paid leave (introduced by EU in 1993, taken up by the UK in 1998 and later extended to 28 days in 2009)
67. More influence on environmental measures that transcend borders (we get to help shape the policies that 28 countries must follow)
68. A say in the running of the EU (now we're outside, the rest of the EU carries on but we have zero influence over its policies)
69. Cleaner air thanks to the EU Air Quality Directive
70. Legally enforced 14 day cooling off period on timeshare agreements
71. Some of the highest toy safety standards in the world
72. Protection of 500 bird species under legislation dating back to 1979, and amended in 2009
It actually cost us about 40p per person per day.
So tell me how all of that is delivered outside the EUNone of the above is contingent on the UK being an EU member state, a truly absurd post.
EU membership is not relevant to any of those objectives that are meaningful, they can be met in the same way as they would in any other independent country outside the cartel. Having an EU logo on your achievements is a worthless advert for the parasitic scam it constitutes.So tell me how all of that is delivered outside the EU
None of the above is contingent on the UK being an EU member state, a truly absurd post.
Yes, your post is indeed absurd. Like most that you write.None of the above is contingent on the UK being an EU member state, a truly absurd post.
So - you have no solution other than a BRINO outcome?I'm tempted but I won't suggest we do what the official leave campaign promised....
But that sounded more like BRINO than the dog's breakfast we are likely to get.
(Is this week an aligned or non-aligned week?
Or is the Metro right that "non-negotiable outcome" is the current Cummings spin for a no-deal Brexit. Though "brexit" is apparently banned too even though it's not really "done".)
Now who's in denial?None of the above is contingent on the UK being an EU member state, a truly absurd post.
I have no idea what that means.So - you have no solution other than a BRINO outcome?
I would have thought that you of all people would have been keen to see the delivery of the campaign promises of the PM and Chancellor of the UK - backed up by all the worthies that ensured that the Leave / Remain campaigns reflected a David and Goliath contest
And the master of logorrhea strikes again.So this last page or two simply demonstrates that Remainers have nothing to offer - other than to effectively Remain
It has been helpful to have that confirmed - at some point in 2020 either:
a) Remainers will be proven to have been correct and Johnson's government will execute a BRINO Brexit or
b) Johnson's government will take actions to implement an ordered Brexit - but one that does actually deliver on all the promises of the Remain campaign
If a) then the Remainers can relax under the refuge of their EU comfort blanket
If b) then the Remainers will have to eventually face up to the fact that the UK is leaving the EU and that there will be a lot of changes to be managed
Should it be b) that occurs - it will likely be because the events / circumstances of the latter part of 2019 created the situation where the UK became led by people with the political will to enact the promises of the Remain campaign and referendum outcome of 2016. This will have likely also required that leadership to have presented to the EU the option of a No-Deal outcome.
So given where we are in early 2020 - I suggest that any Remainers that were exulting throughout 2018/2019 every time the previous PM got humiliated and her deal rejected - should now wish that that had not been the case. It is now clear that her supine approach to Brexit negotiations with the EU would have indeed delivered BRINO.
Who would have thought - should b) happen - that the May/Robbins era were actually the halcyon days for the Remainers?
Lol - when the whole rotten edifice implodes nobody but its bloated bureacrats will notice.Now who's in denial?
I actually think a Canada type deal is preferable and have always stated that if we have to leave at least do it properly rather than continuing under the blanket of the club but with no voice and no influence as to how it proceeds. In choosing to Brexit the country must swallow the additional beauracracy and costs of rewiring the house.So this last page or two simply demonstrates that Remainers have nothing to offer - other than to effectively Remain
It has been helpful to have that confirmed - at some point in 2020 either:
a) Remainers will be proven to have been correct and Johnson's government will execute a BRINO Brexit or
b) Johnson's government will take actions to implement an ordered Brexit - but one that does actually deliver on all the promises of the Remain campaign
If a) then the Remainers can relax under the refuge of their EU comfort blanket
If b) then the Remainers will have to eventually face up to the fact that the UK is leaving the EU and that there will be a lot of changes to be managed
Should it be b) that occurs - it will likely be because the events / circumstances of the latter part of 2019 created the situation where the UK became led by people with the political will to enact the promises of the Remain campaign and referendum outcome of 2016. This will have likely also required that leadership to have presented to the EU the option of a No-Deal outcome.
So given where we are in early 2020 - I suggest that any Remainers that were exulting throughout 2018/2019 every time the previous PM got humiliated and her deal rejected - should now wish that that had not been the case. It is now clear that her supine approach to Brexit negotiations with the EU would have indeed delivered BRINO.
Who would have thought - should b) happen - that the May/Robbins era were actually the halcyon days for the Remainers?
You know that is bollocks George. Try starting at 1. and apply that statement to each in turn and ask the simple question, how? Then post your answer to each to prove us wrong/make us laugh. Cheers.EU membership is not relevant to any of those objectives that are meaningful, they can be met in the same way as they would in any other independent country outside the cartel. Having an EU logo on your achievements is a worthless advert for the parasitic scam it constitutes.
I have no idea what that means.
See Gaudion's post above. "There is no 'solution', it's just classic brexit."
Hey - that you are unable to understand basic things / obvious logic is not my problemAnd the master of logorrhea strikes again.