Huawei 5g in UK

[Bill Walker]

I really don't understand why the British government are allowing this company to have a hand in the implementation of the UK 5G network.
The government said after Tuesday’s meeting of its National Security Council that it is taking some steps that will allow it “to mitigate the potential risk posed by the supply chain and to combat the range of threats, whether cyber criminals, or state sponsored attacks.”

That's all well and good but why even let them anywhere near this system.
Why risk future cyber attacks when you don't have to, and it's not a good start to trading relationships with the USA and Australia.
I'm bemused.

 

[aguero93:20]

I really don't understand why the British government are allowing this company to have a hand in the implementation of the UK 5G network.
The government said after Tuesday’s meeting of its National Security Council that it is taking some steps that will allow it “to mitigate the potential risk posed by the supply chain and to combat the range of threats, whether cyber criminals, or state sponsored attacks.”

That's all well and good but why even let them anywhere near this system.
Why risk future cyber attacks when you don't have to, and it's not a good start to trading relationships with the USA and Australia.
I'm bemused.

UK needs a trade deal with China.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

I really don't understand why the British government are allowing this company to have a hand in the implementation of the UK 5G network.
The government said after Tuesday’s meeting of its National Security Council that it is taking some steps that will allow it “to mitigate the potential risk posed by the supply chain and to combat the range of threats, whether cyber criminals, or state sponsored attacks.”

That's all well and good but why even let them anywhere near this system.
Why risk future cyber attacks when you don't have to, and it's not a good start to trading relationships with the USA and Australia.
I'm bemused.

UK needs a trade deal with China.

A trade deal with China hasn't been proposed to date. The problem is that Huawei are the market leaders in 5G infrastructure so if they aren't allowed to build the masts etc then the rollout is delayed by several years.

 

[mat]

Brexit has turned us into the spitroasted bitch of USA and China. We'd better get used to it.

 

[SebastianBlue]

UK needs a trade deal with China.

This is very morbid to say, and I truly hope this does not come to fruition, but if things keep going the way they are, China will need a trade deal with us.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

I heard a minister quit over this.

“It’s my way or the Huawei” he was quoted as saying as he left parliament

 

[Fred_Quimby]

So the good old US of A don't want us to have Huawei? Got nothing to do with the US firms wanting the deal? Do you think that the security implications would be different with the yanks? Not on your life, they would want our secrets just as much as anyone else.

 

[yeseye]

My own trade deal with China hasn’t got off to the best start .
3 weeks I’ve been waiting for my shipment!
I’m beginning to think my snide phone case has been slung into quarantine .

 

[malg]

I'm pretty sure the government will have spoken with our own security people about this. I can't help feeling that all the stuff about Huawei is possibly being led by President Trump's relationship with China.


sent from my Huawei Mate 20 Pro

 

[Blue Hefner]

5g is a game changer. If (big if) we are going to make a success of Brexit then connectivity to the rest of the world is critical. Rather than travel across Europe with the cost of visas, travel, carbon footprint etc it is better to have virtual meeting rooms

Video conferencing with real time translating(given the British rarely speak a second language) would be very attractive

China has the best 5g technology, the US are years behind so it’s a no brainier. We can’t do it, despite what a bloke ringing the radio suggesting BT should make a start thinks

As for security. We’d be running that risk whoever’s tech we used

 

[Paladin]

5g is a game changer. If (big if) we are going to make a success of Brexit then connectivity to the rest of the world is critical. Rather than travel across Europe with the cost of visas, travel, carbon footprint etc it is better to have virtual meeting rooms

Video conferencing with real time translating(given the British rarely speak a second language) would be very attractive

China has the best 5g technology, the US are years behind so it’s a no brainier. We can’t do it, despite what a bloke ringing the radio suggesting BT should make a start thinks

As for security. We’d be running that risk whoever’s tech we used

We'll probably get Sky / Rangers FC to operate the translation service.

 

[Len Rum]

All getting a bit tasty this one.
Aussies are kicking off now to add to the Don's fury.
Pence calling into question any UK/US trade deal.
Tories forming the Wolverine group ( LOL) to oppose.
All happening Jeff!

 

[BobKowalski]

I really don't understand why the British government are allowing this company to have a hand in the implementation of the UK 5G network.
The government said after Tuesday’s meeting of its National Security Council that it is taking some steps that will allow it “to mitigate the potential risk posed by the supply chain and to combat the range of threats, whether cyber criminals, or state sponsored attacks.”

That's all well and good but why even let them anywhere near this system.
Why risk future cyber attacks when you don't have to, and it's not a good start to trading relationships with the USA and Australia.
I'm bemused.

Using Huawei is far cheaper than not using Huawei. Cost always drives these decisions.

It seems we have helped in consolidating China’s dominance by selling British chip developer ARM to SoftBank in 2016. They in turn have sold 50% to China who then formed ARM China which in turn gives China the right to ARM’s Intellectual Property.

There is an argument to be made that we should have blocked the sale in 2016.

 

[Len Rum]

Using Huawei is far cheaper than not using Huawei. Cost always drives these decisions.
It seems we have helped in consolidating China’s dominance by selling British chip developer ARM to SoftBank in 2016. They in turn have sold 50% to China who then formed ARM China which in turn gives China the right to ARM’s Intellectual Property.
There is an argument to be made that we should have blocked the sale in 2016.

'ckin Tories eh!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I really don't understand why the British government are allowing this company to have a hand in the implementation of the UK 5G network.
The government said after Tuesday’s meeting of its National Security Council that it is taking some steps that will allow it “to mitigate the potential risk posed by the supply chain and to combat the range of threats, whether cyber criminals, or state sponsored attacks.”

That's all well and good but why even let them anywhere near this system.
Why risk future cyber attacks when you don't have to, and it's not a good start to trading relationships with the USA and Australia.
I'm bemused.

I think a lot comes down to "who else is there?"
If they want the network in, they need a lot of capacity, and that means Huawei.

Interestingly, I read this week that lovable AG Barr said this week that (copied from the FT, but reported elsewhere too):
the US and its allies should be “actively considering” proposals for “American ownership of a controlling stake” in the European companies, “either directly or through a consortium of private American and allied companies”.

This would lead to the mad situation of deciding whether the UK wants the Chinese or the Americans to be able to abuse the network!

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

All this says to me is Apple have been spying on us for years

 

[west didsblue]

I think a lot comes down to "who else is there?"
If they want the network in, they need a lot of capacity, and that means Huawei.

Interestingly, I read this week that lovable AG Barr said this week that (copied from the FT, but reported elsewhere too):
the US and its allies should be “actively considering” proposals for “American ownership of a controlling stake” in the European companies, “either directly or through a consortium of private American and allied companies”.

This would lead to the mad situation of deciding whether the UK wants the Chinese or the Americans to be able to abuse the network!

Why is anyone interested in what the manufacturer of Irn Bru has to say about US ownership of European companies?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Why is anyone interested in what the manufacturer of Irn Bru has to say about US ownership of European companies?

You think the Scots don't have an opinion? I suspect they may want to base it on how much they deep fry something, or say crivens.

 

[blueish swede]

The issue isn't just that it's a Chinese company but also how Huawei have implemeted 5G.

5G is going to br more like WiFi on steroids. There are going to be many more "base stations/routers" in a much tighter net with smaller cells. Each base station will be smaller and handle fewer devices but offer higher data rates to each one, Thee issue raised with Huawei is where in the network they implement the security measures, Ideally the security should be as far out in the network as possible, at your local base station/router, but that costs more. So some security is implemented father along the chain. That leaves the ends of the chain more vunerable So someone can (in theory) hack your local base station and listen in on everything you do.

A better solution for most people would be 5G down 4G up as most download far more than they upload, like the ADSL connections people had for their home connections.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I really don't understand why the British government are allowing this company to have a hand in the implementation of the UK 5G network.
The government said after Tuesday’s meeting of its National Security Council that it is taking some steps that will allow it “to mitigate the potential risk posed by the supply chain and to combat the range of threats, whether cyber criminals, or state sponsored attacks.”

That's all well and good but why even let them anywhere near this system.
Why risk future cyber attacks when you don't have to, and it's not a good start to trading relationships with the USA and Australia.
I'm bemused.

1. China is not the enemy. To be honest I am not sure who I am more uncomfortable spying on us, the Chinese or the Americans!

2. I fail to see how much of a serious threat it is, having Huawei kit anyway. I think it would be very difficult for them to intercept and "listen" to traffic at all, let alone without us detecting it.

3. We've nothing to hide.

4. We need a top rate 5G infrastructure at the best possible prices, and that means Huawei.