Huawei 5g in UK

Chippy_boy said:
I am not sure you grasped the point, which is that the US has consistently demonstrated it is a far greater threat to world peace than China ever has. The Chinese are not our enemy and it is ridiculously hypocritical of us to move our manufacturing over there, to buy their output in the $Trillions with everything from iPhones to trainers and yet then say they are a security threat. They are either allies or not, and clearly it is the former.
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Don't agree, the west relies on the USA for our protection, USA is UK's and Australia's closest relationship. In fact Europe/NATO relies heavily on the USA.
English speaking nations always stand together in conflicts and wars. If you think for one minute China would be with the UK or any western nation in a world war you are deluded.

Go to Hong Kong and ask the citizens what they think of China.

Many Chinese buy apartments in Australia, not to live in, but to get their money out of China as they don't trust their own government. They keep them for a couple of years, then sell, the proceeds are Australian dollars in Australian banks, well away from China and the communist government.

If you trust China to supply sensitive 5g equipment to the UK then fair enough, I'm not going to argue with your beliefs.
 
nimrod said:
Don't agree, the west relies on the USA for our protection, USA is UK's and Australia's closest relationship. In fact Europe/NATO relies heavily on the USA.
English speaking nations always stand together in conflicts and wars. If you think for one minute China would be with the UK or any western nation in a world war you are deluded.

Go to Hong Kong and ask the citizens what they think of China.

Many Chinese buy apartments in Australia, not to live in, but to get their money out of China as they don't trust their own government. They keep them for a couple of years, then sell, the proceeds are Australian dollars in Australian banks, well away from China and the communist government.

If you trust China to supply sensitive 5g equipment to the UK then fair enough, I'm not going to argue with your beliefs.
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What do you expect the Chinese to do? Invade Europe? Take a look at the history of US-initiated conflicts over the past 100 years and compare it to that of China.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What do you expect the Chinese to do? Invade Europe? Take a look at the history of US-initiated conflicts over the past 100 years and compare it to that of China.
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Your mates the Chinese are proving to be absolute bullies, especially in the South China Sea area of the world. Claiming islands that aren't theirs, the Hong Kong citizens are losing freedoms very fast, agitators are being shipped off to mainland China probably never to be heard of again.
They've slapped an 80% tariff on Australian imports of wool and beef, putting some farmers out of business, wine next presumably because we are demanding an enquiry into the origins and cause of covid-19.
They're now advising Chinese citizens not to visit Australia and students not to study here for risk of attacks, which is bollocks.
The UK government has now seen the light and banned Huawei products from its 5g networks.
A wise move.
 
nimrod said:
Your mates the Chinese are proving to be absolute bullies, especially in the South China Sea area of the world. Claiming islands that aren't theirs, the Hong Kong citizens are losing freedoms very fast, agitators are being shipped off to mainland China probably never to be heard of again.
They've slapped an 80% tariff on Australian imports of wool and beef, putting some farmers out of business, wine next presumably because we are demanding an enquiry into the origins and cause of covid-19.
They're now advising Chinese citizens not to visit Australia and students not to study here for risk of attacks, which is bollocks.
The UK government has now seen the light and banned Huawei products from its 5g networks.
A wise move.
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China already have too much influence in UK critical national infrastructure for my liking (financial industry/energy sector/manufacturing).
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Yes they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#:~:text=As of 2018, it was,internment camps which are located
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Why is this so quiet?
why are elements that like protesting about injustices not all over this?
Why aren’t the British government saying anything when China are a key trading partner?
Why isn’t the likes of Miguel Delaney focused on this but instead is the UAE?
Where are the radical leftists who bang on about ‘Zionism’ talking about this?


These camps are reportedly operated outside the legal system; many Uyghurs have reportedly been interned without trial and no charges have been levied against them.[15][16][17] Local authorities are reportedly holding hundreds of thousands of Uyghurs in these camps as well as members of other ethnic minority groups, for the stated purpose of countering extremismand terrorism and promoting Sinicization.
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Ban-jani said:
Why is this so quiet?
why are elements that like protesting about injustices not all over this?
Why aren’t the British government saying anything when China are a key trading partner?
Why isn’t the likes of Miguel Delaney focused on this but instead is the UAE?
Where are the radical leftists who bang on about ‘Zionism’ talking about this?
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Why indeed?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53259557
 
Don’t really know what to think. If the decision is really based on national security concerns then I welcome it. I suspect though that it’s more to do with US pressure that we are not in a position to resist due to our hopes for a US trade deal to go some way to replace the downturn in EU trade due to Brexit.
 
west didsblue said:
Don’t really know what to think. If the decision is really based on national security concerns then I welcome it. I suspect though that it’s more to do with US pressure that we are not in a position to resist due to our hopes for a US trade deal to go some way to replace the downturn in EU trade due to Brexit.
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Any word on the Chinese state?
 
west didsblue said:
It’s a totalitarian, repressive state with a dictator in charge.

Rightly or wrongly we do business with loads of countries like that.
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Very true.

However I would just add they’re interfering with countries in the Commonwealth now, specifically Anglosphere, in Australia.

They’re a threat to international security and despite the issues with America, we should be choosing them over despot states every single time.
 
Ban-jani said:
Very true.

However I would just add they’re interfering with countries in the Commonwealth now, specifically Anglosphere, in Australia.

They’re a threat to international security and despite the issues with America, we should be choosing them over despot states every single time.
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It’s not a case of choosing between China and America. Whatever the faults of any country, we should be making decisions on our dealings with that country ourselves rather than under instruction from a third country. Being out of the EU means we’ve lost clout as a country and we’re more susceptible to being bullied by the bigger countries.
 
Ban-jani said:
Very true.

However I would just add they’re interfering with countries in the Commonwealth now, specifically Anglosphere, in Australia.

They’re a threat to international security and despite the issues with America, we should be choosing them over despot states every single time.
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China is Australia’s largest trading partner. A third of Australia’s exports go to China. Australia is a Pacific rim country. The only Anglosphere thing about Australia is that they speak English and play cricket.
 
BobKowalski said:
China is Australia’s largest trading partner. A third of Australia’s exports go to China. Australia is a Pacific rim country. The only Anglosphere thing about Australia is that they speak English and play cricket.
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I know you think very little of western culture but this is poor, even by your standards.
 
west didsblue said:
It’s not a case of choosing between China and America. Whatever the faults of any country, we should be making decisions on our dealings with that country ourselves rather than under instruction from a third country. Being out of the EU means we’ve lost clout as a country and we’re more susceptible to being bullied by the bigger countries.
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I do agree somewhat however everyone will likely have to pick a side at some point.

There’s no way, even being within the EU, we ever wouldn’t have to choose the US over China.
 
Ban-jani said:
I do agree somewhat however everyone will likely have to pick a side at some point.

There’s no way, even being within the EU, we ever wouldn’t have to choose the US over China.
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In the event of military tension then of course you’re right.
For trade, we shouldn’t be in a position where we’re dictated to by anyone. Unfortunately we’ve voted ourselves into that situation so we need to suck it up.
If we have made the Huawei decision partly based on the HK situation then that’s fair enough. If we’re pandering to the Trump administration it’s pathetic.
 
Ban-jani said:
I know you think very little of western culture but this is poor, even by your standards.
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I’m pointing out that China is Australia’s dominant trading partner and Australia is located in what China regards as its backyard. Australia is a Pacific Asian country and this is where it’s strategic and trading interests lie. Anglosphere is more of a historic cultural affectation than reality.
 
BobKowalski said:
I’m pointing out that China is Australia’s dominant trading partner and Australia is located in what China regards as its backyard. Australia is a Pacific Asian country and this is where it’s strategic and trading interests lie. Anglosphere is more of a historic cultural affectation than reality.
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Australia is one of the closest cultures to us in the world, is a Commonwealth member and is inhabited by our migrants.

The Anglosphere shares much more than trade.

China has engaged in an attempted cyber attack on Australia, has whacked up their tariffs to Australia and is continuing to intimidate in the region.

Do you think this is a country we should be pally with? Because I do not.
 
west didsblue said:
In the event of military tension then of course you’re right.
For trade, we shouldn’t be in a position where we’re dictated to by anyone. Unfortunately we’ve voted ourselves into that situation so we need to suck it up.
If we have made the Huawei decision partly based on the HK situation then that’s fair enough. If we’re pandering to the Trump administration it’s pathetic.
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I agree with your first bit but I don’t necessarily think this is the case. The pressure from the US will have some impact but China’s continued aggression towards our allies and the situation with Covid-19 and the coverup is what’s done it.

When Trump tried to apply pressure against the 5G project initially, we went ahead anyway and said we had to make our own decisions.

This u-turn is because of China, not the US, imo.
 
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