Another new Brexit thread

[bluethrunthru]

Yes, and to be fair, he didn’t.

Which in of itself is a lesson to be learned from all of this.

Probably went bankrupt but hey he knew what he was voting for eh?

 

[SebastianBlue]

Probably went bankrupt but hey he knew what he was voting for eh?

Cognitive dissonance is real.

 

[Vic]

Cognitive dissonance is real.

I take it you're now talking not just about David Figgis but the government which still has no plan for getting seasonal workers from the EU onto farms. And even if there was, why would they come here?

I hope Brexiters will only buy British and refuse imported fruit when we can't get ours picked and packed. Put your mouth where your mouth is. Otherwise you will obviously be doing down Britain.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I was just thinking about this Dispatch a few weeks ago and it pops up in my Twitter feed this morning.

Has there been a follow up on David Figgis’ business nearly a year on?

I did a search but couldn’t find anything beyond the original interview.

This was linked to photographs of Orchards in Kent... pears and apples which were just rotting fruit unpicked ...... and a recruiter (who works on behalf of the farmers) saying that the day after Brexit the phones from Bulgaria and Romania stopped ringing ...... people don't want to come where they are not wanted he said.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I take it you're now talking not just about David Figgis but the government which still has no plan for getting seasonal workers from the EU onto farms. And even if there was, why would they come here?

I hope Brexiters will only buy British and refuse imported fruit when we can't get ours picked and packed. Put your mouth where your mouth is. Otherwise you will obviously be doing down Britain.

Are you under the impression that I advocated for Brexit or are you speaking more generally to other thread participants who did?

This was linked to photographs of Orchards in Kent... pears and apples which were just rotting fruit unpicked ...... and a recruiter (who works on behalf of the farmers) saying that the day after Brexit the phones from Bulgaria and Romania stopped ringing ...... people don't want to come where they are not wanted he said.

Yes, if you watch the full video all of that is conveyed, mate (aside from the rotting fruit, of course).

If you come by a link to an update on the status of Figgis’ business or the fruit farming sector in general, I would love to read it.

 

[Vic]

Are you under the impression that I advocated for Brexit or are you speaking more generally to other thread participants who did?

No. Yes.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Ikea in Coventry, kirk douglas, Philip Schofield and now the fucking weather - I suppose we are meant to believe this is all coincidence and nothing to do with brexit?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Are you under the impression that I advocated for Brexit or are you speaking more generally to other thread participants who did?

Yes, if you watch the full video all of that is conveyed, mate (aside from the rotting fruit, of course).

If you come by a link to an update on the status of Figgis’ business or the fruit farming sector in general, I would love to read it.

To be honest Mr Figgis has a 12 year history of moaning about foreign labour - I am coming to the conclusion he is a shit farmer in the wrong business

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/fruit-farmers-welcome-increase-i-a48065/

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/farmers-kent-leaving-food-rot-780192

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/kent-farmer-says-brexit-destroy-2732470

 

[west didsblue]

To be honest Mr Figgis has a 12 year history of moaning about foreign labour - I am coming to the conclusion he is a shit farmer in the wrong business

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/fruit-farmers-welcome-increase-i-a48065/

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/farmers-kent-leaving-food-rot-780192

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/kent-farmer-says-brexit-destroy-2732470

I thought he spent most of his time in hospital with Archie, Norman and Dr Thorpe. He used to moan a lot there as well.

 

[BobKowalski]

Some snippets of info.

France, Spain want to beef up the EU’s mandate on fish so that nothing changes from current arrangements. France thinks EU is being a bit ‘wishy washy’ probably reflecting the fact that for a majority of member nations fish is no big deal in the scheme of things. France on the other hand doesn’t want French fishermen blockading Calais if they don’t like the deal.

UK wants a Swiss style arrangement. The EU hate the Swiss style arrangement and want an overall governance deal not isolated seperate governance deals per sector. As EU are pressing the Swiss hard to scrap the current arrangement in favour of an overall governance deal the politics don’t stack up for offering the UK want they want.

First big fight then is fish and how the rest of the deal is structured rather than details of the deal itself.

 

[blueinsa]

Ikea in Coventry, kirk douglas, Philip Schofield and now the fucking weather - I suppose we are meant to believe this is all coincidence and nothing to do with brexit?

Warnings where given and sadly not heeded.

 

[Vic]

Some snippets of info.

France, Spain want to beef up the EU’s mandate on fish so that nothing changes from current arrangements. France thinks EU is being a bit ‘wishy washy’ probably reflecting the fact that for a majority of member nations fish is no big deal in the scheme of things. France on the other hand doesn’t want French fishermen blockading Calais if they don’t like the deal.

UK wants a Swiss style arrangement. The EU hate the Swiss style arrangement and want an overall governance deal not isolated seperate governance deals per sector. As EU are pressing the Swiss hard to scrap the current arrangement in favour of an overall governance deal the politics don’t stack up for offering the UK want they want.

First big fight then is fish and how the rest of the deal is structured rather than details of the deal itself.

The Swiss fishermen are always a pain.

 

[Len Rum]

Some snippets of info.
France, Spain want to beef up the EU’s mandate on fish so that nothing changes from current arrangements. France thinks EU is being a bit ‘wishy washy’ probably reflecting the fact that for a majority of member nations fish is no big deal in the scheme of things. France on the other hand doesn’t want French fishermen blockading Calais if they don’t like the deal.
UK wants a Swiss style arrangement. The EU hate the Swiss style arrangement and want an overall governance deal not isolated seperate governance deals per sector. As EU are pressing the Swiss hard to scrap the current arrangement in favour of an overall governance deal the politics don’t stack up for offering the UK want they want.
First big fight then is fish and how the rest of the deal is structured rather than details of the deal itself.

So are you saying the negotiations on trade won't take place until fish is sorted?
Thought we wanted talks to take place in parallel?
Surely we're going to have the row of the winter over that?

 

[Vic]

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If you come by a link to an update on the status of Figgis’ business or the fruit farming sector in general, I would love to read it.

Well, one major grower has cut planting in the UK and set up in China (ostensibly for the growing Chinese demand for soft fruits)

http://www.fruitnet.com/fpj/article/174733/haygrove-shrinks-uk-berry-operations-and-sets-up-in-china

 

[west didsblue]

Some snippets of info.

France, Spain want to beef up the EU’s mandate on fish so that nothing changes from current arrangements. France thinks EU is being a bit ‘wishy washy’ probably reflecting the fact that for a majority of member nations fish is no big deal in the scheme of things. France on the other hand doesn’t want French fishermen blockading Calais if they don’t like the deal.

UK wants a Swiss style arrangement. The EU hate the Swiss style arrangement and want an overall governance deal not isolated seperate governance deals per sector. As EU are pressing the Swiss hard to scrap the current arrangement in favour of an overall governance deal the politics don’t stack up for offering the UK want they want.

First big fight then is fish and how the rest of the deal is structured rather than details of the deal itself.

And we were told that we would get the easiest deal in history, and that it was oven ready. Now we're finding that individual EU countries have their own agendas on some aspects of a potential deal and will need to come to a consensus before a deal is struck. I thought they were all under the EU jack boot and had lost their sovereignty and would do as they were told which was one of the main reasons given for us to get out. Seems that might have not been strictly correct. How can that be?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

And we were told that we would get the easiest deal in history, and that it was oven ready. Now we're finding that individual EU countries have their own agendas on some aspects of a potential deal and will need to come to a consensus before a deal is struck. I thought they were all under the EU jack boot and had lost their sovereignty and would do as they were told which was one of the main reasons given for us to get out. Seems that might have not been strictly correct. How can that be?

Worth bearing in mind that "the easiest deal in history ' could actually be no deal.

 

[BobKowalski]

So are you saying the negotiations on trade won't take place until fish is sorted?
Thought we wanted talks to take place in parallel?
Surely we're going to have the row of the winter over that?

Under the terms of the WA we signed up to not only agreeing a deal on fish by June but having it fully ratified by June.

 

[west didsblue]

Worth bearing in mind that "the easiest deal in history ' could actually be no deal.

Aka an Australian style deal.

Surely there's something ready to put in the oven? Boris promised.

 

[BobKowalski]

Got to love the stereotypes :)

 

[Len Rum]

Worth bearing in mind that "the easiest deal in history ' could actually be no deal.

Aka an Australian style deal.
Surely there's something ready to put in the oven? Boris promised.

As I understand it the use of the term 'no deal' has actually been banned in Government circles.
As you say use of phrase 'Australian style trade deal' is permissible ( even though Australia does not have a trade deal with the EU) and I believe 'failure to negotiate a deal' is also acceptable.
YCNMIU Jeff.