Another new Brexit thread

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@BobKowalski Re your quote: "We can pinpoint one thing easily. A big fall in sterling which squeezed household and corporate incomes (higher import prices) but did next to nothing for exports"

That's a bit short sighted. The FTSE is up by +30 since early 2016, almost entirely down to the weaker pound and therefore increased foreign revenues and profits for UK listed blue chips. This has directly benefitted millions of people in terms of growth in their investments and pension pots.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Let me explain more clearly:

I fully admit that in my ardent Remainer days, I got swept up in it all and my thinking was very binary and not at all balanced. I didn't start out like that: Before the referendum I was quite undecided as to which way to vote. But having backed a certain camp, my position became more and more and more entrenched and eventually I could not see the wood for the trees and would claim black was white if it supported by Remain argument. It's very tribal and that sort of lack of objectivity, lack of empathy for the opposing point of view can been seen all across these pages.

Having switched sides, I am not now saying I am perfect and beyond such faults. But I can say I can see both sides' positions rather more clearly than my emotions enabled me to see them previously. Things are more "nuanced".

I am still a Remainer at heart - I wish we had never left. But now that we have, I am not going to spend the rest of my life banging on (as some on here are doing) about how terrible it is and every intricate detail of every little problem that we will inevitably encounter. What on earth is the point of that? It is what it is. We are where we are. We have to get on with it and make the best of it. I am naturally VERY much a glass half full kind of person and will look for positives wherever I can find them. And yes, there are positives to Brexit. I didn't like us being told what to do by a bunch of bureaucrats running a system of "questionable" democratic processes. I didn't like some of the rules we had to live under - like not being able to protect or support our own industries, for example. And I didn't like the fact the EU as a whole is way left of my own political leanings.

There is opportunity for the UK to do well outside of the EU and I hope we can grasp the opportunity.
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You’ve described my position perfectly too.

I never did like the EU that much but saw Brexit as self harming.

It definitely is but the question now is whether or not the self harm is worth it for true democracy and avoiding being a federal state where the British people have little power and our nation is swallowed and ceases to truly be itself.

That’s Brexit to me in a nutshell and once we accept there will be issues and it will be tough and there may well be economic woes, it may well be worth it in the future.

Nobody loves this country more than I do and I can only be optimistic for its future.

I too find the nitpicking arguments from remain a bit tiresome now - I should know I did it for 4 years.
 
I am posting this here as I think it is somewhat related to recent discussions and is representative of situations to continually consider when assessing the benefits and shortfalls of what comes next in the exit process and how to keep our government, the EU, and various influencing entities accountable throughout. Be sure to read through the entire thread if the first two tweets interest you as there are some very interesting bits toward the end. For context, this sort of reallocation is not that uncommon in the gold (or precious metals, commodities) investment world, but the magnitude of this particular type of transaction, and the knock on effects it has, are fairly uncommon.

By the way, I’ve decided to stop calling this “Brexit”, as it has become an inherently divisive, charged term — I am just going to use sensible, accurate language like exit process, negotiation, and coordination, and I encourage others to do so. It’s amazing what dropping terms like “brexit”, “remainer”, and “leaver” from discussions can do for the level of civil discourse and implicit understanding of nuance.

 
SebastianBlue said:
I am posting this here as I think it is somewhat related to recent discussions and is representative of situations to continually consider when assessing the benefits and shortfalls of what comes next in the exit process and how to keep our government, the EU, and various influencing entities accountable throughout. Be sure to read through the entire thread if the first two tweets interest you as there are some very interesting bits toward the end. For context, this sort of reallocation is not that uncommon in the gold (or precious metals, commodities) investment world, but the magnitude of this particular type of transaction, and the knock on effects it has, are fairly uncommon.

By the way, I’ve decided to stop calling this “Brexit”, as it has become an inherently divisive, charged term — I am just going to use sensible, accurate language like exit process, negotiation, and coordination, and I encourage others to do so. It’s amazing what dropping terms like “brexit”, “remainer”, and “leaver” from discussions can do for the level of civil discourse and implicit understanding of nuance.

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Interesting thread. Thanks for posting.

Such huge movements but why ? Extremely suspicious.
 
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Ive not seen that since this morning funnily enough.

Pleased your social media echo chambers are catching up with each others.

Is it OK to tell everyone the wait had fuck all to do with brexit or will that spoil it for you?
 
SebastianBlue said:
I am posting this here as I think it is somewhat related to recent discussions and is representative of situations to continually consider when assessing the benefits and shortfalls of what comes next in the exit process and how to keep our government, the EU, and various influencing entities accountable throughout. Be sure to read through the entire thread if the first two tweets interest you as there are some very interesting bits toward the end. For context, this sort of reallocation is not that uncommon in the gold (or precious metals, commodities) investment world, but the magnitude of this particular type of transaction, and the knock on effects it has, are fairly uncommon.

By the way, I’ve decided to stop calling this “Brexit”, as it has become an inherently divisive, charged term — I am just going to use sensible, accurate language like exit process, negotiation, and coordination, and I encourage others to do so. It’s amazing what dropping terms like “brexit”, “remainer”, and “leaver” from discussions can do for the level of civil discourse and implicit understanding of nuance.

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Thanks for posting. I was looking at the ONS export stats the other day and Gold comes second after motor vehicles. i couldn't understand what that was about and that thread has helped enormously.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Thanks for posting. I was looking at the ONS export stats the other day and Gold comes second after motor vehicles. i couldn't understand what that was about and that thread has helped enormously.
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That is exactly why I went searching for this information!
 
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