UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[worsleyweb]

They’re all at it. Carragher liking a post from Evans saying City broke the rules.

He spits at kids. His opinion has no merit.

John Aldridge ruffled the hair of a forest player who scored an own goal in the semi final after forest had fully supported Liverpool post Hillsboro.

Tony Adams ran upto Aldridge on the night arsenal pipped Liverpool to the title ruffled Aldridge’s hair and said - that’s for Brian laws. I like tony Adams just for that.

 

[BlueBas]

I thought UEFA decided that ETIHAD were considered a related party to City and therefore tested to see if the sponsorship deal was fair market value. As City are now top 2 teams in the world in terms of worth, I don't think anyone can say that it's not fair market value! Seems we're being punished twice for something that's already been considered by UEFA. Also, can't wait for our and Etihad's auditors to sue UEFA too!

 

[Blue Smarties]

We’re a bit like Leeds, nobody likes us. Unlike Leeds, there’s an element of our club and support that seem to crave to want to be liked by all. Fuck it, embrace it.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I think we've lost tbh. The cartel have won. No matter the appeals, even winning an appeal, we've lost. The destruction is total.

Unless we blow FFP out of the water.

The politics is disgusting though, enough to put you off.

 

[Coatigan]

Fair enough is this better
CAS will consider urgent cases.
However, the club may take it up to the time limit to go to CAS, fucking up UEFA. When the case is registered with CAS the ban is suspended, taking the wholeprocess past the start of ECL therefore, City would have to be included in next season’s competition. So even if we loose at case the ban would be delay past next season

unless we get a points deduction which purs us out of qualifying, so eligible via appeal delay, but not in it.

unless of course we do manage to somehow win it (footballwise, we are capable) this year and qualify as champions, eligible via appeal, and still be in it next year despite the ban And a points deduction. that would just be poetic, woildnt it, in this whole sorry mess.

 

[Sergio Silva]

You still pretending to be a Blue?

Says the Manc in London

 

[Bandofblues]

Look on the bright side, at least we don't have to put up with the usual scouse love-in in this weekends papers

 

[citytill1die84]

Agreed, especially the Liverpool Echo and john aldridge.

Ye I gave some to John Aldridge the prick.

I really really hope City have something on UEFA to get out of this I'd fucking love it although I'm very worried.

 

[Marvin]

I suspect there was no coincidence in the timing between the release of the CAS conclusions and then Uefa's punishment.

For me, this is all a show, not just for the peanut gallery, but for the actual clubs who have lobbied and pressed for punishment.

I remember the last time a punishment was delivered and we eventually got to hear about the deals and levels of back-channeling which took place

Call it quiet optimism or wishful thinking on my part, but CAS is exactly the public forum which still suits both City and Uefa.

Uefa have aired this from the rooftops, it has served all its purposes.

I don't believe Cerefin has come to our games by chance, nor do I believe Khaldoon has been sat idly on his hands.

Uefa can have this whole thing off their backs, once and for all.

They are all about attracting more money into the game, not taking it out.

At CAS, I will not be surprised to see where all the smoking guns are exposed, which people are implicated, how many procedural failures there have been along the way.

Even City's official response last night did not smack of City's usual MO. Yes, there are exceptional circumstances, but all the same, ours is a regime which does not air its dirty linen in public, we keep our powder dry.

A couple of other points, it's an absolute certainty that the wider media will be further emboldened to use this period to try and book end every bit of agenda and lobby for the Premier League and other clubs to try apply retrospective action of their own.

This is a period in when the club and supporters need to take record of who comes out from under those rocks.

Secondly, in terms of a direct impact to finances. I have been assured we won't feel a ripple. We recently took £390m into the group and this can be distributed across it as we see fit.

Lastly, be wary of The Athletic. They were the ones peddling we would not be punished and yet they have now come full circle, pushing the Premier League to stick the boot in.

This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

That's a well thought out optimistic response although I don't think it's a UEFA/City plot to save UEFA's face and yet allow City to survive (although that maybe the outcome). I think UEFA had internal disagreements and their hawks won out. I do think this may play into our hands at CAS though.

City's owner's natural stance is to compromise and negotiate. They are very conservative with a small 'c' but there's no room to negotiate with UEFA. They are out to destroy us hence the response is stronger than before.

We've already seen initial responses from the media. With one or two exceptions, the glee was there for all to see. I think Simon Stone's tweet about the net closing in and discussions he had with another Premier League CEO was quite telling, and one he will regret. He let his guard down in a moment of triumph and this is exactly what City have said about the lack of due process.

Long term I am not worried. I think City must have learned some lessons. I hope that City and Sheikh Mansour drop their commitment to a self-sustaining football club. We need to go back to the infastructure spend that accompanied City's initial takeover and respond cleverly and aggressively on all fronts.

At least now City's fans will wake up from their sleep. Games had begun to lack a little meaning. I keep saying and hearing the same 4 words everywhere: We are at war. This is something that every observer will agree with.

 

[cookster]

I think we've lost tbh. The cartel have won. No matter the appeals, even winning an appeal, we've lost. The destruction is total.

Unless we blow FFP out of the water.

The politics is disgusting though, enough to put you off.

Naive to think there's no politics in a multi-billion pound business. It's the ugly side of the game.

 

[George Hannah]

Just out of interest but what made you think CNN are AD based in the first place?

Here's some info with a picture to help those with the brainpower of a lobotomised amoeba

 

[01cravend]

Fuck Pep off and sell all our stars then drag Sven and Stephen Ireland out of bed and pretend we were never really here.

 

[Roachy]

City and UEFA are playing poker.
One of them is holding a pair of two's and we don't know what the other has.
We also don't know which one of them is the one with the pair of two's - could even be both of them.

UEFA have just gone 'all in'

Yes, this is it for them, all or nothing. Their interpretation of this "evidence" has been the basis of this outcome, obviously cajoled by the usual suspects. Someone is going to look pretty stupid at the end of this.

 

[urban genie]

You are right, but Pep was assured by Khaldoon that we had done nothing wrong. If we lose the appeal: Pep walks, senior execs sacked.

What senior execs are getting sacked?

As we claim it's bollocks, even if we lose the apeal, at the executive leve they seem united that this is a stitch up no matter, cannot see who is going to go at that level.

 

[Marvin]

Good post

Regarding The Athletic, just look at who are their owners. I wouldn’t give them the skin off my piss.

I don't read the Athletic but I do think though that UEFA have probably changed their position during the process and that they reported in good faith. The delays in the UEFA hearings and outcome do suggest an internal wrangle.

 

[Manc in London]

Says the Manc in London

Well, I know a number of people on here who can vouch for me.

You are clearly not a Blue. I am guessing you are scouse. Can someone ban this bell? @Moderating Team

 

[Asa's left peg]

Yep. York away will be fun. How will they fit in our 40,000?

Brilliant !! I get to go to York away ! Ermm... I mean again.

 

[BlueBas]

Fucking ingrates. Whilst we're considering FFP in all.its guises, let's have a look at who would have won the Premier League in the last 20 years if City hadn't come along to disrupt the cartel.

2000/1- united
2001/2 - Arsenal
2002/3 - united
2003/4 - Arsenal
2004/5 - Chelsea
2005/6 - Chelsea
2006/7 - united
2007/8 - united
2008/9 - united
2009/10 - Chelsea
2010/11 - united
2011/12 - united
2012/13 - united
2013/14 - liverpool
2014/15 - Chelsea
2015/16 - Leicester (God bless 'em)
2016/17 - Chelsea
2017/18 - united
2018/19 - liverpool
2019/20 - liverpool

Most competitive league in the world ? Essentially, without us 20 years of the same 4 Champions League clubs divvying up the title every year except one. And without sustained investment Leicester were fucked.

The Premier League should be down on bended knee thanking us for saving their shit show of a rigged "competition".

If it wasn't for our investment and the Aguerrrrooooo moment in 2012, there's not a chance Liverpool would be playing like they are now under Klopp. We've elevated the style and quality of football under Pep in the Prem and fans from all clubs, least of all Liverpool, should be thanking us for it. I reckon Chelsea and United would have won a couple more as I can't see Liverpool being where they are now without us changing the way football is played in the Prem.

 

[Paul1970]

I think we've lost tbh. The cartel have won. No matter the appeals, even winning an appeal, we've lost. The destruction is total.

Unless we blow FFP out of the water.

The politics is disgusting though, enough to put you off.

The worry is we are going up against an institute which has been around for years .we will not be seen to win even though we are right . We will probably take a year ban which in the scheme of things is not too bad . Pep will see his contract out but not sign another which maybe is a good thing for us . I’m more bothered about what the owners think of it .

 

[Plain Speaking]

Agreed, especially the Liverpool Echo and john aldridge.

I suspect most City fans wouldn't follow either? ;-)