UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[BosnianBlue]

Just remember even if they don’t kill this off, it ultimately doesn’t matter. If they find that we are guilty then they aren’t throwing anything at us, they are throwing it at our owners. The club is the only thing that deserves our undying loyalty, nothing else. If they are guilty and the allegations are true, then we should be vociferous in our criticism too.

Obviously I hope that isn’t the case and that our faith in the people running our club has been well placed all along. They are not the club though. We are. We are the ones that stay no matter what happens.

why the fuck would you criticize owners of eventually (probably) cooking the books to beat bent rule? Not trying to beat them would be football equivalent of abiding by apartheid rules in South Africa. We wouldn't play in CL anyway if we respected the ****s of the rules, it was there to stop us in the beginning, you you would never see the success of last few years if we played fine.

Fuck the FFP rules and especially, fuck those that say it's cheating when you shit over bent rules. They can suck our trophies :)

 

[Cornish_Blue]

We all know what’s probably going to happen.

UEFA will get us at least a 1 year ban with some fine and they’ll see that as a triumph. This will then open the door for PL to try and punish us. Surely they have to do their OWN investigations ??????

 

[TheThirdDeano]

I hope we did cook the books because the rules they’re playing by shouldn’t even have been enforced.

But the kicker is I really don’t think we did.

 

[doobyedoobye]

Not reading the msm press coverage is incredibly therapeutic

 

[Bluekiwi]

This is where CFG will come into play.

From the OS Club Statement .......
"the Club will pursue an impartial judgment as quickly as possible and will therefore, in the first instance, commence proceedings with the Court of Arbitration for Sport at the earliest opportunity".
My take on that statement is that if CASA goes against us then as suggested in this thread, we'll be taking UEFA to a REAL court - watch them squirm then!

 

[kdbrise]

Completely devastated by the news, never felt this bad since I flunked in some exams in my under-graduation. I just want to tell all you fans to stay strong and we will come back stronger than ever before. We are a huge brand now and they can't keep us on the fringes any more. There are tens of thousands of fans like you outside the UK for whom this club has become a part of their lives and they all stand by you guys. ManCity have been dominating the sporting news across the world now, so much for "a small club that nobody cares" LOL. Maybe all that negative publicity isn't that bad, that's just my opinion.

 

[BosnianBlue]

From the OS Club Statement .......
"the Club will pursue an impartial judgment as quickly as possible and will therefore, in the first instance, commence proceedings with the Court of Arbitration for Sport at the earliest opportunity".
My take on that statement is that if CASA goes against us then as suggested in this thread, we'll be taking UEFA to a REAL court - watch them squirm then!

yep, that's the best part of that statement. They backed up few years ago when we've threaten to go too the real court. Looks like they have been pressured by cartel to take the risk, guess all that talk about super league was part f that pressure.

 

[BosnianBlue]

I hope we did cook the books because the rules they’re playing by shouldn’t even have been enforced.

But the kicker is I really don’t think we did.

I guess we did as we probably couldn't have make it at the time, specially with rules being changed in last minute, we were still weak back then. But who gives the fuck as long as we can defend ourselves.

My dream is winning the CAS or even better, the court case and then Khaldoon taking a photo for OS smiling and showing two fingers.

 

[mexico1970]

From the OS Club Statement .......
"the Club will pursue an impartial judgment as quickly as possible and will therefore, in the first instance, commence proceedings with the Court of Arbitration for Sport at the earliest opportunity".
My take on that statement is that if CASA goes against us then as suggested in this thread, we'll be taking UEFA to a REAL court - watch them squirm then!

Real court test the ruling and prove there's a cartel would be my preference, whistle blow it to death and drag the whole lot down in a never-ending assault on football authorities.

 

[Gaz in Zurich]

They really seem to be sticking the knife in with saying we'll have a points deduction for the 2014 season now. The Sheik needs to wrap UEFA and anyone else in litigation until they go bust, It's a beyond a joke now. Just because we had the temerity to take on the big boys and they don't like it. This years champs league, we may as well stay at home as there is no way they will let us win it.

 

[cookster]

They really seem to be sticking the knife in with saying we'll have a points deduction for the 2014 season now. The Sheik needs to wrap UEFA and anyone else in litigation until they go bust, It's a beyond a joke now. Just because we had the temerity to take on the big boys and they don't like it. This years champs league, we may as well stay at home as there is no way they will let us win it.

This will gather a lot of pace. The media would like for Gerard to get a retrospective PL medal.

 

[bluemoon32]

This will gather a lot of pace. The media would like for Gerard to get a retrospective PL medal.

This part of it for me is worse than the CL ban, i'd imagine that if our ban is upheld then the PL will have to do something

 

[Dubai Blue]

In a court of law won't uefa have to show a money trail from Mansour personally into City through sponsers? Even if true I doubt there is anything in our sponsers books that will show a trail or we wouldn't be going to war.

This is the crux of it for me.

Did someone in the UAE (i.e., HH) top up the sponsorship funds? Maybe, maybe not. The emails seem to suggest they did.

But if that money was invested in each of the sponsors and then paid into City's accounts directly from Etihad, Etisalat, Aabar, etc. (as also suggested by the emails), I don't see how UEFA have much of a case.

It's not like they'll have any access to those companies' accounts/bank records as they have no jurisdiction over them. And in the very unlikely scenario they even asked to see them, they will have been told to fuck off.

So, all that matters is that if City stated X million as Aabar sponsorship revenue, then City's own bank records need to show that same X million arriving directly from Aabar. And the leaked emails suggest they were very careful about ensuring that happened.

Now obviously, if City's accounts show 25% of that X million came from Aabar and 75% came from elsewhere (i.e., ADUG, Sheikh Mansour), then we're bang to rights. But we surely wouldn't be appealing if it was that cut and dried.

So, my own hypothesis is that UEFA "know" we have circumvented FFP; the emails show it. But they have no other proof. And even if those emails were admissible, they could theoretically be explained away as meaning something else.

Rather than allowing us to get away with what they see as blatant "cheating", and knowing that the evidence they have won't stand up in CAS (or court), they have sought to inflict massive reputational damage in the hope that some of that damage will stick even when the punishment is overturned.

This ties in with the rumours that UEFA were desperate to agree a deal with City that saw us accept guilt with a token slap on the wrist. That suggests they weren't at all confident that their "evidence" would stand up to intense scrutiny.

When City told them they weren't interested, UEFA went for the only other option left to them — nuclear reputational damage. This explains why the punishment is so excessive; they know it won't be upheld, but they had to go in hard for the world to take notice and make at least some of the mud stick.

That's my theory anyway!

 

[Semper aggressus]

This will gather a lot of pace. The media would like for Gerard to get a retrospective PL medal.

It'll all be made up bollocks and conjecture though. We will always be the real champions in those seasons, nothing can take that away wherever they stick their fucking asterisks.

 

[Saddleworth2]

This is the crux of it for me.

Did someone in the UAE (i.e., HH) top up the sponsorship funds? Maybe, maybe not. The emails seem to suggest they did.

But if that money was invested in each of the sponsors and then paid into City's accounts directly from Etihad, Etisalat, Aabar, etc. (as also suggested by the emails), I don't see how UEFA have much of a case.

It's not like they'll have any access to those companies' accounts/bank records as they have no jurisdiction over them. And in the very unlikely scenario they even asked to see them, they will have been told to fuck off.

So, all that matters is that if City stated X million as Aabar sponsorship revenue, then City's own bank records need to show that same X million arriving directly from Aabar. And the leaked emails suggest they were very careful about ensuring that happened.

Now obviously, if City's accounts show 25% of that X million came from Aabar and 75% came from elsewhere (i.e., ADUG, Sheikh Mansour), then we're bang to rights. But we surely wouldn't be appealing if it was that cut and dried.

So, my own hypothesis is that UEFA "know" we have circumvented FFP; the emails show it. But they have no other proof. And even if those emails were admissible, they could theoretically be explained away as meaning something else.

Rather than allowing us to get away with what they see as blatant "cheating", and knowing that the evidence they have won't stand up in CAS (or court), they have sought to inflict massive reputational damage in the hope that some of that damage will stick even when the punishment is overturned.

This ties in with the rumours that UEFA were desperate to agree a deal with City that saw us accept guilt with a token slap on the wrist. That suggests they weren't at all confident that their "evidence" would stand up to intense scrutiny.

When City told them they weren't interested, UEFA went for the only other option left to them — nuclear reputational damage. This explains why the punishment is so excessive; they know it won't be upheld, but they had to go in hard for the world to take notice and make at least some of the mud stick.

That's my theory anyway!

It makes sense as well. The fact that the club are confident enough to reject a token punishment says a great deal.

 

[Tb1981]

Didnt they come to an agreement to withdraw from the europa league ?
Might be getting mixed up though !

Think it was European competition so both champions league and europa
But when you didn’t qualify for champions league it’s an easy punishment to accept

 

[Kokonut1307]

Didnt they come to an agreement to withdraw from the europa league ?
Might be getting mixed up though !

They made that agreement because they would have failed been unable to adhere to FFP for years so they colluded together to let Milan off the hook for upcoming years while they don’t participate in Europe because of the ban. Shows the integrity of UEFA.

 

[bondsman]

I agree. Where is your season ticket in the ground? Perhaps we can meet up for a chat?

Colin bell 3rd tier mate block 327

 

[Marvin]

There were reports that Alexsander Ceferin tried to get City to accept guilt in return for a weak sanction.

If this is true there are two consequences:

1) City are very confident of their position,

2) More imprortantly, where does that leave the UEFA Adjudicatory Chamber? It means the process is not evidence based, and the Chamber is not primary. That is surely an abuse of process and UEFA just make it up as they go along?

However after all that has gone in, how much do you trust the sporting authorities? This of course relies on the Ceferin reports being accurate. He may just have been taking in a game.

 

[bangkokblueballs]

This is the crux of it for me.

Did someone in the UAE (i.e., HH) top up the sponsorship funds? Maybe, maybe not. The emails seem to suggest they did.

But if that money was invested in each of the sponsors and then paid into City's accounts directly from Etihad, Etisalat, Aabar, etc. (as also suggested by the emails), I don't see how UEFA have much of a case.

It's not like they'll have any access to those companies' accounts/bank records as they have no jurisdiction over them. And in the very unlikely scenario they even asked to see them, they will have been told to fuck off.

So, all that matters is that if City stated X million as Aabar sponsorship revenue, then City's own bank records need to show that same X million arriving directly from Aabar. And the leaked emails suggest they were very careful about ensuring that happened.

Now obviously, if City's accounts show 25% of that X million came from Aabar and 75% came from elsewhere (i.e., ADUG, Sheikh Mansour), then we're bang to rights. But we surely wouldn't be appealing if it was that cut and dried.

So, my own hypothesis is that UEFA "know" we have circumvented FFP; the emails show it. But they have no other proof. And even if those emails were admissible, they could theoretically be explained away as meaning something else.

Rather than allowing us to get away with what they see as blatant "cheating", and knowing that the evidence they have won't stand up in CAS (or court), they have sought to inflict massive reputational damage in the hope that some of that damage will stick even when the punishment is overturned.

This ties in with the rumours that UEFA were desperate to agree a deal with City that saw us accept guilt with a token slap on the wrist. That suggests they weren't at all confident that their "evidence" would stand up to intense scrutiny.

When City told them they weren't interested, UEFA went for the only other option left to them — nuclear reputational damage. This explains why the punishment is so excessive; they know it won't be upheld, but they had to go in hard for the world to take notice and make at least some of the mud stick.

That's my theory anyway!

My feelings exactly...