UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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It's clear to fans of other clubs, too. Had this texted to me yesterday:

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Bluemanc100 said:
Having an influential person inside UEFA helped.. just like Agent Gill means that the rags are protected..

We’re don’t have that opportunity but I personally want the club and the owners to hit them like they’ve never been hit before.. fuck the consequences
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PSG got away with it as there is no power in the French league, the cartel had no issue with them being at the top table, they just wanted them slowing down a bit.

We however, lol....
 
blueinsa said:
FFP has to be taken through the courts mate. Anything less and we kick the can down the road only for someone to throw it back through our window in 5 years time as they try yet again to ruin us.

Anything less and for the first time i will think we have the wrong leadership at City regardless of what they have done, achieved and given us.
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We wont mate, and you know it. Our threat is purely based upon putting the shits up UEFA and CAS, nothing more nothing less.
 
Dubai Blue said:
I'm not suggesting that's what our defence will be. I'm suggesting that's what may have happened.

City's task will be to show that X million was due from Aabar, Y million was due from Etisalat, and Z million was due from Etihad, etc. And then to produce records to show that X, Y, and Z million was received from Aabar, Etisalat and Etihad, respectively.

How any of those companies got that money is none of UEFA's business and certainly beyond their jurisdiction.
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Under FFP the source of funds IS important, if they're disguised owner investment. The emails being hacked led UEFA to suspect that was the case but even if it was, that's allowable if the sponsor is classed as a related party and the revenue from that sponsorship is in line with what a non-related party would pay.

If I recall correctly, UEFA tried to argue that all the Abu Dhabi companies were related parties but this never really got resolved as it made little difference at the time. We didn't agree about related parties as we've never declared them as such in our accounts (which we are required to do when there are transactions with related parties) but we did agree not to increase a couple of what were described as second-tier sponsorships (Aabar and another).

Also, if I recall correctly, UEFA conceded that the Etihad sponsorship was in line with market value so however it was funded was irrelevant (according to their own). Now they're claiming there was disguised owner investment yet, in their 2014 investigation, that would have been OK according to their own classification of Etihad as a related party.

There's another thing that might be very relevant to our defence. Almost as soon as the ink was dry on the cheque paying our fine and it'd cleared in UEFA's account, they changed the FFP rules to allow a period of owner investment that might normally breach FFP rules, in the case of a change of ownership. I read about a case brought to CAS involving the US NASL and FIFA. This involved a club dropping out of the NASL but the club that won the second tier league weren't promoted. The appellant club claimed that FIFA rules mandated promotion and relegation and that the NASL had failed to implement that. CAS ruled that it wasn't necessarily what FIFA said but what they meant and how they applied the rule, and it would place more reliance on contemporaneous action than historic ones. FIFA hadn't enforced the rule on leagues that, when the rule was introduced, didn't have it and if I read it correctly, the ruling said that it clearly wasn't their intention to enforce it on leagues that didn't have it, whatever the rule actually said.

I do wonder if we could bring a case against UEFA claiming that they pursued us for breaching FFP yet their more contemporaneous intention was to allow a period of owner investment and that the main reason we failed in 2024 was that we accelerated investment before FFP came in whereas now we would have a period of grace. The real investment only started in 2009 and therefore the 4 year period of grace allowed under the current FFP rules would have ended in 2013, which is the period we've been punished for.
 
razman said:
we can all hope that's the case , but the reality is loss of 2 years of champs league would mean 150-200m pounds of revenue lost and would make us a loss making operation again which we have worked hard to overcome. The giddy media is already stating our finances would have to be restructured + players have to be sold etc , utter nonsense.

Trust City to come thru with this.
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I may be wrong but with us being out of europe are we not exzempt from ffp for the next 2 years?? They cant ban us from competitions we are not allowed to play in?? Dont know about premier leaguee ffp rules but i think they are more relaxed???
 
blueinsa said:
FFP has to be taken through the courts mate. Anything less and we kick the can down the road only for someone to throw it back through our window in 5 years time as they try yet again to ruin us.

Anything less and for the first time i will think we have the wrong leadership at City regardless of what they have done, achieved and given us.
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The leadership issue is Soriano, he's a chancer and a liability - 100% culpable for the original FFP fine and this sorry mess too.
 
Before a case goes to court, both sides can get disclosure of the points the other side will use.
I have no doubt that our legal team will have reams of information about key players in both UEFA and the G14 Clubs that are driving this self preservation policy.
When UEFA get this disclosure, and key figures realise that not only will their financial transactions be under scrutiny, but they will also be looking at jail time, UEFA will withdraw the case, all charges withdrawn and FFP will be dead in the water.
 
Rammy Blue said:
We wont mate, and you know it. Our threat is purely based upon putting the shits up UEFA and CAS, nothing more nothing less.
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Then the can will be kicked down the road only and we can look forwards to this shit for ever.
 
Blue abroad said:
Again none of this is true. Where these companies got the money from is vitally important. How do you think criminals wash their money. By layering it through legitimate companies/shell companies etc.

I’m not for one second saying we’ve done this but I guarantee it’s not our defense.
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so who are you saying are criminals
 
Ancient Citizen said:
No mate, whenever and however we do this, it has to be an end game of 'Going for the jugular,' I certainly understand
your reasoning, and I'm not saying this just to stick one to UEFA, but going in as hard as possible is the only way now.
Their ultimate climbdown, if it happens, will only be facilitated by taking such a stance, no agreements on the side,
or acceptance of lesser 'Punishments,' we've done that and it's has come back to bite us, and we have no choice now but to bite back.
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“Let’s all come back together and heal our wounds” to quote Boris. We have little empathy coming our way from the wider footballing community, if we kill the goose that lays the golden champions league egg it will be very difficult to operate in this industry. I find it hard to believe that is only possible course of action.
 
George Hannah said:
The leadership issue is Soriano, he's a chancer and a liability - 100% culpable for the original FFP fine and this sorry mess too.
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I wont subscribe to that opinion George, not yet at least as it suggests everyone at the club are chancers including Khaldoon and i dont think thats the truth.

Make no mistake though what happens next is absolutely key to these guys staying or going.
 
I saw a post in another forum saying the FA were looking to strip titles and some players must be sold, including KDB. I take it this is pish and ****s at it?
 
city saint said:
so who are you saying are criminals
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nobody and certainly not our owners. with hindsight I should have used a different example.

I’m just saying HOW you report something like sponsorship funding is vitally important, PB put it far more eloquently.

As I also said our statement back to UEFA is so strong that our defense must be watertight.
 
To the guys who know - Trying to get some facts right in my head. Is his excellency (see, even I can get it right - career in scribbling ahead) Sheik Mansoor, involved in the board of Etihad, in any capacity?
 
blueinsa said:
I wont subscribe to that opinion George, not yet at least as it suggests everyone at the club are chancers including Khaldoon and i dont think thats the truth.Make no mistake though what happens next is absolutely key to these guys staying or going.
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No mate, Khaldoon is not responsible - he recruited Soriano specifically to steer us safely through the UEFA & Cartel shoals - instead we've been piloted straight onto the rocks.
 
I hope those Blues that express concern that our past achievements are now tainted in the eyes of other fans can stop being worried about that.

Footy is tribal. If this was United we would think UEFA are wrong but we are loving it and will take the piss every chance we get. That’s all other fans are doing to us. It’s normal.

If you are trying to persuade them otherwise you are wasting your time. Those that know don’t care and those that don’t won’t understand.

Ignore it or, even better embrace it. We bought the league and will do it again.....of course that’s nonsense but it’s the last thing opposition fans want to hear.

It’s unfair but just stop caring and let City deal with it and they will. You can’t change other fans minds they will think what they want to. Get used to it because when this is all sorted it won’t stop. All about money and appealing to the masses.

Try to enjoy the unfairness and stupidity it’s the only way.
 
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