UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Canyouseethesky]

But why can't a team just have a rich owner, like Liverpool did ?

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Are you going back 50 years or talking about the present?

 

[Canyouseethesky]

So you agree with most of it. Just not the bit criticizing United.

I think as a defence of FFP, that most of your post is bollox.

FFP has been totally discredited and everyone knows what it’s about, at this stage. It’s just the cartel are so brazen about it now. They’re like Trump. They don’t care who knows they’re bent. It’s like a case of ‘what are you going to do about it?’

I wasn't defending Utd, simply stating a fact that they are so wealthy a championship team is not about to surpass them.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Are you going back 50 years or talking about the present?

Liverpool were built on sugardaddies' in more than one period.

Most of the 'elite' teams now, benefitted from the same, at different times in their history. Without that charity, many would have disappeared.

Only in the last ten years, did rich owners investing if football teams become a bad thing.

Nobody gave a flying fuck, for example, when John Hall bought a team for Newcastle.

Utd fans cheered Michael Knighton as he promised to buy them players. The investment then, would be billions now by comparison. That enabled them to buy the Premier League & be a Champions League team, which is why they.are so rich now.

They would fail FFP ten times over attempting that level of spending now.

Nobody cared. They loved it. Sky loved it.

Then all those clubs got together to protect themselves, from others doing the same.

FFP.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

Lets call it like it is anyone who has ever seen WWE will know that one wrestler walks into the ring and one is already there WWE market one of them and make money from them and not the other, while that might not be fair or considered a sport by most people at least its honest. FFP is not about debt its simply about maintaining clubs in their "rightful" place, any defense of it that glosses over that is simply disingenuous.

Manchester City didn't break football football was broken 130 years ago, there is just a narrative that wants to blame City and the irony is its from many of the interests that screwed the game for everyone the Sky's UEFA's or B Munich's of the world

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Lets call it like it is anyone who has ever seen WWE will know that one wrestler walks into the ring and one is already there WWE market one of them and make money from them and not the other, while that might not be fair or considered a sport by most people atleast its honest. FFP is not about debt its simply about maintaining clubs in their "rightful" place, any defense of it that glosses over that is simply disingenuous

Does disingenuous mean bollox?

 

[Bandofblues]

I remember that now that you mention it. Monaco not the desired example so.

I remember that now that you mention it. Monaco not the desired example so.

nor is google a good example, they didn't exist 20 years ago......a bit like us.....

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

FFP must be illegal on so many levels. Imagine being rich enough to buy a potentially nice business, but then be told you cannot invest YOUR money to build the business. It's an absolute scandal, that wouldn't be permitted in any industry other than football.

 

[journolud]

I'm pissing into the wind here. Little teams are not meant to finish above Man Utd and Liverpool. They don't have the support base to sustain it. That's just the way it is, if you think differently then fair enough.

Club's similar in stature to where we were 10 years ago can finish above them.
Leicester, Everton and Southampton have all finished ahead of Liverpool in recent years and Leiceister obviously finished ahead of everyone.

Utd are a juggernaut, the only thing stopping them being 1st or 2nd every year is incompetence. Expecting a handful of billionaires to arrive and suddenly have Burnley, Ipswich and Middlesbrough finishing above Utd and Liverpool every year is football manager stuff. You need a support base already in place and the potential to expand that locally and globally. Blackburn probably have no more fans now than they did in 1995, those 3 teams above would be the same.

Teams like West Ham, Everton, Wolves and Newcastle have a support base and potential growth area that allows them compete in the way Spurs* did if they manage their club's correctly. The TV money means not even we can just swoop in and automatically take a midtier club's best player like Utd did for 20 years. They each add a shrewd signing in each of the next 3 windows and they could easily surpass Arsenal, Utd and possibly Spurs.

*I would consider what spurs have achieved a success. Only 1 team can win the league and they are up against the greatest team ever seen in England.

So the league table is meant to look more or less the same every year and we win by default because we don't have as many customers, erm I mean fans, as United?

 

[waspish]

I'm pissing into the wind here. Little teams are not meant to finish above Man Utd and Liverpool. They don't have the support base to sustain it. That's just the way it is, if you think differently then fair enough.

Club's similar in stature to where we were 10 years ago can finish above them.
Leicester, Everton and Southampton have all finished ahead of Liverpool in recent years and Leiceister obviously finished ahead of everyone.

Utd are a juggernaut, the only thing stopping them being 1st or 2nd every year is incompetence. Expecting a handful of billionaires to arrive and suddenly have Burnley, Ipswich and Middlesbrough finishing above Utd and Liverpool every year is football manager stuff. You need a support base already in place and the potential to expand that locally and globally. Blackburn probably have no more fans now than they did in 1995, those 3 teams above would be the same.

Teams like West Ham, Everton, Wolves and Newcastle have a support base and potential growth area that allows them compete in the way Spurs* did if they manage their club's correctly. The TV money means not even we can just swoop in and automatically take a midtier club's best player like Utd did for 20 years. They each add a shrewd signing in each of the next 3 windows and they could easily surpass Arsenal, Utd and possibly Spurs.

*I would consider what spurs have achieved a success. Only 1 team can win the league and they are up against the greatest team ever seen in England.

The scum were shit for most of their history and poor gates to boot!

 

[waspish]

Does disingenuous mean bollox?

Its a nice way of saying your a liar. ;)