UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Gordyola]

Hopefully somebody can clear this up for me?

Uefa have since stated their findings and how they reached a punishment won't be released until after CAS have now ruled?

How do CAS rule unless they are made privy to those findings, in what is bound to be a very public TV case, regardless of reporting restrictions?

They mean publically The evidence will have to be presented to CAS and City but the proceeding are confidential unless all parties agee otherwise

 

[Mike Cledford]

I like that one mate. ;)

It was on the BBC so it must be true;)
Not any more!

 

[route46]

Surely if City have not cooperated all UEFA can have is the leaked Emails?

 

[iwasthere1968]

It was the description of Syed as a "middle class white man talking to an audience of 99% middle class white men and women" that I was challenging. Agree that his ethnic origin does not mean that he cannot not hold racist views but the statement in bold is wrong.

Please lads put this into a private domain , ploughing through this thread is hard enough ...please

 

[OB1]

It's not a lottery but it can be hard to predict. Have UEFA accurately reviewed and assessed the evidence before them to arrive at their verdict. We say no. They say yes. Then the third judge makes the call ultimately. He might deem the evidence we gave as being quite clear but ultimately think UEFA still were within their rights to be sceptical and made a fair and lawful decision.

I think, based on PB's posts, it is hard to see how they could have done so when this has all been dragged through a court before in relation to Etihad and it's quite clear where the funding came from. One email with HH can't be their sole reason for this punishment if City have provided justification and clarification of what that refers to and, previously, our full financial reporting.

We need more info but we won't get it until case is heard by CAS.

 

[SWP's back]

Actually, there is. Uefa commissioned two reports into PSG sponsorships' fair value. The reports differed widely, especially with regard to the "world branding" sponsorship from (?) Quatar tourist board. Uefa investigatory committee decided to take the higher values and even increased them. PSG fell just within the loss limit allowed and closed the case. The adjucatory committee tried to reopen it, astonished at the IC's actions, but they could not, ruled CAS.
Oh, and the chair of the Investigatory Committee? Monsieur Leterme, of course. The fact that the PSG chairman sat on UEFA bodies was nothing to do with it, nor was the world cup. Move along, nothing to see here.

......until Man City. They came after we were first reprimanded.

 

[squirtyflower]

From Wikipedia "Syed was born in Reading, Berkshire. His father, Abbas Syed, is a Pakistani immigrant to Britain who converted from Shia Islam to Christianity, and his mother is Welsh." - please check sources before you make claims of racism.

I didn’t realise mixed race people couldn’t be racist?

 

[OB1]

Note also that CAS is not a court but an arbitrator.

I didn't mention court :-)

 

[George Hannah]

Except we aren’t dead.

they are hoping and writing as if we were....that's my point. That's what 'the scum of the earth' do - shame I have to spell it out really.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

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I’m struggling with this and hope @Prestwich_Blue might have a view. On the face of it this looks like this Der Spiegel assumption being swallowed hook, line and sinker by our opponents and a simple misunderstanding has seen us fined potentially £200k. However, from memory Tabas was harping on about state funding so I wonder whether UEFA give a damn about whether the money has come from Sheikh Mansour or the EC because to them it feels like financial doping or an underhand process. I just struggle to see how it could be as simple a misunderstanding as this unless our rivals are blind with rage but there are some serious legal eagles within Uefa - so I just think the issue must be deeper than this. Are uefa that naive or that determined to destroy us?

UEFA have wrestled with the issues of how they deal with our and PSG's situation, where a club has the overt or implied backing of a state.

Bit FFP refers to owner investment and if the money doesn't come from the owner then they've a problem.

 

[aguero93:20]

Come on lads your going hyperbole to win an argument. By all accounts we were offered to be found guilty of a technical breach. This doesnt equate to murder or sexual assault its a slap on the wrists.

I think we all agree whats happened in the last few days has been disastrous and will have long reaching affects. My point is there could and seemingly was a way out of this.

It's an extreme example but there's plenty of others where it's not worth admitting an offence you haven't committed. For example I'm an accountant by trade, if I was falsely accused of committing a financial offence eg fraud and offered a fine for pleading guilty I'd have to fight the charge regardless as I'd lose my job and my right to practise in my profession if found guilty.

 

[BigBluey]

Apologies if this has already been covered but Am I right in thinking that Should CAS rule for us - then the case is dismissed with no sanction.
If CAS uphold UEFA’s charges then we take the punishment but it may be found excessive and possibly be reduced.
If City then refute the finding, do we go to the Swiss Supreme Court just challenging FFP? As oppose to the any alleged Rule breaking?

 

[Citizen Green]

Do you reckon the club will keep the fan base briefed on the next steps re the CAS submission or are we all in the dark now until the ruling?.

 

[badaz52]

According to UEFA something the club deny

Can you link me to an article where the Club denies anything? the Club statement reads:

Manchester City is disappointed but not surprised by today’s announcement by the UEFA Adjudicatory Chamber. The Club has always anticipated the ultimate need to seek out an independent body and process to impartially consider the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence in support of its position.
In December 2018, the UEFA Chief Investigator publicly previewed the outcome and sanction he intended to be delivered to Manchester City, before any investigation had even begun. The subsequent flawed and consistently leaked UEFA process he oversaw has meant that there was little doubt in the result that he would deliver. The Club has formally complained to the UEFA Disciplinary body, a complaint which was validated by a CAS ruling.

Simply put, this is a case initiated by UEFA, prosecuted by UEFA and judged by UEFA. With this prejudicial process now over, the Club will pursue an impartial judgment as quickly as possible and will therefore, in the first instance, commence proceedings with the Court of Arbitration for Sport at the earliest opportunity.

They haven't denied the findings what they have said is that they want an impartial judgment and for that to include their evidence too not just what evidence UEFA has. They are complaining about the process.

 

[Roachy]

I don't want to link anything here but you can find the leaks online if you look for them including the Der spiegel article, some pretty compelling stuff. In a nutshell, most of City's sponsors are either Government owned or Government backed. SM is part of that government and chairs many of them himself. In short whenever City have had a shortfall they have been able to siphon money from other companies and inject it into the club, intentionally circumventing UEFA FFP rules and changing dates to suit to make it look like they didn't have a deficit. They are guilty on a technicality and if you look carefully the Club aren't even denying their guilt they are just not happy about the process.

Thanks for the reply, but that's not how I interpret the clubs statement from Friday.

 

[BlueAnorak]

They mena it won't be released pubilcly. CAS will have access to the information.

Got to say, that being UEFA, I'm suprised it hasn't leaked.
They will also have supplied City with details A defendant isn't allowed to go into a western court blind.

 

[the talisman]

Do you reckon the club will keep the fan base briefed on the next steps re the CAS submission or are we all in the dark now until the ruling?.

City will follow the rules and say nothing

 

[Decepticon]

Matthew Syed is guest speaker at the ASCL conference this year in Birmingham on March 13th/14th.
Laughably the theme of the conference is Diversity. Yet here is another middle class white man talking to an audience of 99% middle class white men and women.
I believe Syed to be racist as well as a cheat and I’m looking forward to asking him some questions

Make sure you have it on tape.

 

[badaz52]

What a load of bollocks

If you say so, I think the best we can hope for is a reduction in the sanction but there will be one.

 

[moomba]

I don't want to link anything here but you can find the leaks online if you look for them including the Der spiegel article, some pretty compelling stuff. In a nutshell, most of City's sponsors are either Government owned or Government backed. SM is part of that government and chairs many of them himself. In short whenever City have had a shortfall they have been able to siphon money from other companies and inject it into the club, intentionally circumventing UEFA FFP rules and changing dates to suit to make it look like they didn't have a deficit. They are guilty on a technicality and if you look carefully the Club aren't even denying their guilt they are just not happy about the process.

The club have repeatedly said they have irrefutable evidence they haven't committed an offence.

Rightly or wrongly we most certainly are denying our guilt.