UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[tolmie's hairdoo]

After the events of the last few days I cant help but think that City have made a huge strategic error. Apparently we were offered a way out of this with a technical breach and small fine. (Similar to the Fifa case). By refusing to negotiate it seems we have pushed UEFA to go nuclear with us.

Even if the ban is overturned by Cas this doesnt clear us and its my understanding we have to carry the fight on in Swiss courts(?).

Even if we are eventually cleared which is far from certain the reputational damage of the ban and potential future case with UEFA is enormous. Pretty much the whole footballing world has heard Manchester City are cheats for the last few days and will narative will continue and wont stop even if we win the case. It will turn to, 'well what did you expect when they can buy the bsst lawyers'

Wouldn't it have been sensible to take the fine and carry on as normal. Who would care apart from Johny from Liverpool on twitter.

By taking this risk we have potentially affected our ability to compete for the next 3 4 years but also will forever be known as cheats. We can all argue with internet warriors till we are blue in the face but the label will surely affect out ability to attract commercial sponsorship and grow our fan base in the developing football markets such as India, China and the US.

Were we offered a way out by UEFA? I've seen this mentioned only on here?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Our erstwhile club chairman perhaps...

Oh gosh yes.
The third worst comb over then.

 

[Blue Maverick]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1229351845866463232
ha ha a few posters from here on this @Prestwich_Blue @karen7

 

[SatOnTheWall]

I'm not suggesting anything.Just that UEFA doesn't have emails of the same nature listing how the payments will be made. These emails are the basis of their argument that you have been lying and not cooperating.

Emails are not bank statements.

Writing something down doesn't mean it happens.

How can you and thousands of others not understand this simple fact?

 

[toffee balls]

I don't want to link anything here but you can find the leaks online if you look for them including the Der spiegel article, some pretty compelling stuff. In a nutshell, most of City's sponsors are either Government owned or Government backed. SM is part of that government and chairs many of them himself. In short whenever City have had a shortfall they have been able to siphon money from other companies and inject it into the club, intentionally circumventing UEFA FFP rules and changing dates to suit to make it look like they didn't have a deficit. They are guilty on a technicality and if you look carefully the Club aren't even denying their guilt they are just not happy about the process.

Off you pop

 

[Gordyola]

I don't want to link anything here but you can find the leaks online if you look for them including the Der spiegel article, some pretty compelling stuff. In a nutshell, most of City's sponsors are either Government owned or Government backed. SM is part of that government and chairs many of them himself. In short whenever City have had a shortfall they have been able to siphon money from other companies and inject it into the club, intentionally circumventing UEFA FFP rules and changing dates to suit to make it look like they didn't have a deficit. They are guilty on a technicality and if you look carefully the Club aren't even denying their guilt they are just not happy about the process.

Only 3 of City's sponsors are AD based 2 were accepted by auditors and UEFA as related parties and we agreed to certain conditions in the original settlement https://www.mancity.com/fans-and-community/club/partners/global

The club have irrefutable evidence of their innocence

 

[Academica]

If you say so, I think the best we can hope for is a reduction in the sanction but there will be one.

Show me a link were the club are accepting guilt

 

[badaz52]

The club have repeatedly said they have irrefutable evidence they haven't committed an offence.

Rightly or wrongly we most certainly are denying our guilt.

"The Club has always anticipated the ultimate need to seek out an independent body and process to impartially consider the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence in support of its position" what position do you think that could be? that they have made an honest mistake? that they feel it hasn't been a fair process? I don't see any denial of guilt in that statement.

 

[the talisman]

"The Club has always anticipated the ultimate need to seek out an independent body and process to impartially consider the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence in support of its position" what position do you think that could be? that they have made an honest mistake? that they feel it hasn't been a fair process? I don't see any denial of guilt in that statement.

“In support of its position”
Obviously its position is that the club has done no wrong, hence the appeal.
It is a fairly clear denial of guilt, unless you are being deliberately obtuse.

 

[BobbyBoy]

Can UEFA afford to give us around £450m + legal fees if they play hardball and lose? (Loss of revenue + damages)

Yes, quick Google shows they have assets worth 2.7bn as of 2017.