UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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domalino said:
I would allow transfer fees to be unrestricted as long as you comply to the salary cap. Both is kind of unnecessary.

Credits against the salary cap for HG players and/or players you sign under X fee, so developing your own players or scouting gems (Liverpool singing Robertson, us signing Zinchenko, Leicester signing Mahrez etc.) is rewarded. Maybe 100% for a kid like Foden who has been at the club since he was 9, getting lower and lower as the age the kid joined until signing someone like Zinch is only 25%.

Strict limits on debt. Max # of loan players.

And let the best managed club win.

You could even allow things like designated players who don't count against the cap, luxury taxes from the NBA so you can pay up to x amount over the cap but only if you pay a % tax to do it, which is distributed to the other clubs.

No solution is perfect, but other sports have spent 50+ years working on ways to create a level playing field and avoid monopolies. It's not impossible.
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domalino said:
I would allow transfer fees to be unrestricted as long as you comply to the salary cap. Both is kind of unnecessary.

Credits against the salary cap for HG players and/or players you sign under X fee, so developing your own players or scouting gems (Liverpool singing Robertson, us signing Zinchenko, Leicester signing Mahrez etc.) is rewarded. Maybe 100% for a kid like Foden who has been at the club since he was 9, getting lower and lower as the age the kid joined until signing someone like Zinch is only 25%.

Strict limits on debt. Max # of loan players.

And let the best managed club win.

You could even allow things like designated players who don't count against the cap, luxury taxes from the NBA so you can pay up to x amount over the cap but only if you pay a % tax to do it, which is distributed to the other clubs.

No solution is perfect, but other sports have spent 50+ years working on ways to create a level playing field and avoid monopolies. It's not impossible.
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Salary cap in my opinion is one of the worst things to have ever happened to the NHL. There are many issues regarding the sport and the multiple terrible CBA's but the Salary Cap for me is by far and away the worst thing to have ever happened to the sport.

Players do not receive the salaries that they should on the high end and are massively overpayed on the low end (quality wise). It also means that you have teams that do the bare minimum, they know that at a certain salary level they wont be garbage but they will never be good enough to win it all. They stick themselves firmly in the middle and give their fans glimmers of hope from time to time.

This would be the worst possible outcome in my opinion.

A transfer cap would actually be more reasonable, as then the players can still force themselves out of certain teams, and as well the smaller teams will not have to accept a bid because they know that the team cannot go higher. It brings down inflation and would help in my opinion.
 
Ffp has been with us for approximately 10 years and has been a disaster for football, other than the usual suspects. It coped quite well between 1880 and 2010, different clubs dominated then fell away for whatever reason. This era seems like it will be set in stone forever. There should be no financial controls whatsoever, football will survive.
 
BringBackSwales said:
The same media are talking about Pogbad as a £150M player, anyone would think they have a vested interest in talking up the values of rag and dipper players
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I read the sports section of yesterday’s Daily Mail in the hozzy waiting room. FWIW they reckoned his value has dropped to £50m as his remaining contract moves towards 12 months. They even ventured that Real Madrid might not be interested at that price.
 
BoundedCascade said:
Salary cap in my opinion is one of the worst things to have ever happened to the NHL. There are many issues regarding the sport and the multiple terrible CBA's but the Salary Cap for me is by far and away the worst thing to have ever happened to the sport.

Players do not receive the salaries that they should on the high end and are massively overpayed on the low end (quality wise). It also means that you have teams that do the bare minimum, they know that at a certain salary level they wont be garbage but they will never be good enough to win it all. They stick themselves firmly in the middle and give their fans glimmers of hope from time to time.

This would be the worst possible outcome in my opinion.

A transfer cap would actually be more reasonable, as then the players can still force themselves out of certain teams, and as well the smaller teams will not have to accept a bid because they know that the team cannot go higher. It brings down inflation and would help in my opinion.
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I think that's a problem with collective bargaining agreements though, not caps specifically? The NBA's works very well and MLS is pretty good too.
 
sir baconface said:
It’s been a day on Bluemoon when sesquipedalianism has been laid bare, provoking a retaliatory flurry of floccinaucinihilipilification.
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Yep! We've hired the best of the best. UEFA won't know what's hit em....

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Unfortunately, neither will we.
 
tweety said:
Ffp has been with us for approximately 10 years and has been a disaster for football, other than the usual suspects. It coped quite well between 1880 and 2010, different clubs dominated then fell away for whatever reason. This era seems like it will be set in stone forever. There should be no financial controls whatsoever, football will survive.
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I think you are conflating 2 different issues there though.

The usual suspects are set in stone because as the CL came in around 92/93 and the Premier League deal came in, the clubs at the top suddenly got insanely rich over 3 or 4 years and then had much more money than anyone else with which to fend off competition.

FFP made the problem worse by taking away the 1 in a million lottery of getting a very rich owner investing, but it's TV money (globalisation really) which created the problem.
 
tweety said:
Ffp has been with us for approximately 10 years and has been a disaster for football, other than the usual suspects. It coped quite well between 1880 and 2010, different clubs dominated then fell away for whatever reason. This era seems like it will be set in stone forever. There should be no financial controls whatsoever, football will survive.
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I disagree. Football should be regulated. It should be regulated for the benefit of all rather than the protection racket that it is at the moment.
 
BoundedCascade said:
Salary cap in my opinion is one of the worst things to have ever happened to the NHL. There are many issues regarding the sport and the multiple terrible CBA's but the Salary Cap for me is by far and away the worst thing to have ever happened to the sport.

Players do not receive the salaries that they should on the high end and are massively overpayed on the low end (quality wise). It also means that you have teams that do the bare minimum, they know that at a certain salary level they wont be garbage but they will never be good enough to win it all. They stick themselves firmly in the middle and give their fans glimmers of hope from time to time.

This would be the worst possible outcome in my opinion.

A transfer cap would actually be more reasonable, as then the players can still force themselves out of certain teams, and as well the smaller teams will not have to accept a bid because they know that the team cannot go higher. It brings down inflation and would help in my opinion.
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Both smack to me of interference and artificial restriction of trade.

I’d prefer positive action, rather than intervention, for example a different way of distributing U€FA monies.

We do a similar thing here in the distribution of TV monies, which has armed every PL club with a decent sized war chest.
 
domalino said:
I think that's a problem with collective bargaining agreements though, not caps specifically? The NBA's works very well and MLS is pretty good too.
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That is possible I do not follow NBA or MLS so it could simply be that. I know that MLB has a soft cap and although it has it's issues, they aren't terrible.
 
domalino said:
I think you are conflating 2 different issues there though.

The usual suspects are set in stone because as the CL came in around 92/93 and the Premier League deal came in, the clubs at the top suddenly got insanely rich over 3 or 4 years and then had much more money than anyone else with which to fend off competition.

FFP made the problem worse by taking away the 1 in a million lottery of getting a very rich owner investing, but it's TV money (globalisation really) which created the problem.
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Absolutely agree with your post, however if Mansour had bought our club in 1992 he could have done what he wanted without on arm tied behind his back.
 
sir baconface said:
Both smack to me of interference and artificial restriction of trade.

I’d prefer positive action, rather than intervention, for example in a more equal distribution of U€FA monies.

We do a similar thing here in the distribution of TV monies, which has armed every PL club with a decent sized war chest.
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So Saracens rugby club recently tried to argue salary caps were against EU law but lost and I thought the reasoning was very interesting.

Lord Dyson ruled that it wouldn't be classified as against EU law competition law because the effect would be "to make results less predictable and thereby make the sport more attractive to fans and sponsors" and also they failed to demonstrate in practice how the salary cap had an anti-competitive effect.

If City wanted to take apart FFP in court those are some of the things they'd have to be able to prove.
 
Football clubs should be not for profit organisations and regulated like charities.

Champions League TV money should be distributed evenly throughout the league with a little extra given to participants based on their performances.

Measures like that would bring about more fairness than FFP, transfer caps and wage caps.
 
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