UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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Hytner is a MGS educated rag. He may have resided in London for a few years, but his indoctrination is total.
 
Proy said:
Getting our side of the story into the public domain would be suicide at this point. We are in the middle of one of the biggest legal battles the sport will see.

I'd also argue that keeping our counsel was also the best strategy even before this verdict was delivered. We rarely play out in public, we keep most things in house and that will play a part in the upcoming court appearances.

It can be perceived as soft, in fact it has been. All we ever tried to do is get along with people. Be that UEFA, the media or other football clubs. We have done this whilst building a solid enterprise and not rocking the boat in any way or form.

I like that about us. I think it's an asset.
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It is our majority owners culture that follows all his investments.
As an investment against all the odds his ADUG team generate profits presumably his original intention.
Why would he change his style?
 
Literally only a handful of fans outside of Manchester City know how UEFA moved the goalposts in the first review. We blame journalists. After all, if City fans can find this information, then financial journalists can, and they can read blogs like https://boltfromtheblue.live/2018/11/18/how-uefa-shifted-the-goalposts-to-shaft-man-city/ . However, City could have forced them to respond by issuing statements highlighting our concerns. I am not particularly interested in engaging with hostile agents for the sake of it, but at the moment we have the national media vs Manchester City fans and naturally your average football fan sees City fans as biased. 'Well you would say that wouldn't you?"

Media bias is a given but the enemy guns range all over the battlefield whilst ours remain silent. It matters. Decisions the like of which CAS will make are not made in a vacuum. Organisations like the Premier League will come under pressure by other clubs seeking advantage. City don't want to fight. They believe we will get justice and they shouldn't have to and don't have to explain what City have done. Mistake, and a very big one.

If I were City I'd make our position public, and make a point by point chronological account of the context of this dispute which we have referenced but never detailed. I suspect City's case is indeed irrefutable but you have to make it because our enemies make their case every day for a reason.
 
From the sounds the leaks probably are breaches of UEFA's own procedures, but not enough to prejudice the investigation.

Leterme's comments at the start weren't too clever, but I don't think we'll get the case thrown out because of them either.
 
Proy said:
Getting our side of the story into the public domain would be suicide at this point. We are in the middle of one of the biggest legal battles the sport will see.

I'd also argue that keeping our counsel was also the best strategy even before this verdict was delivered. We rarely play out in public, we keep most things in house and that will play a part in the upcoming court appearances.

It can be perceived as soft, in fact it has been. All we ever tried to do is get along with people. Be that UEFA, the media or other football clubs. We have done this whilst building a solid enterprise and not rocking the boat in any way or form.

I like that about us. I think it's an asset.
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Totally agree and I’d expect us to have a complex strategy with a number of themes ranging from the straight legal argument, procedural irregularities, being denied a fair hearing, a pre judged process and FFP being unfairly used to target us (specifically the late rules change and the audit trail behind that decision). Quite how all these strands are played and how interdependent they are is anyone’s guess and we need to remember we might fail in our CAS appeal but even if we do the fight will go on. This will be a long and difficult process but we are setting up for the long haul and a few twats in the press are the least of the clubs worries.
 
moomba said:
From the sounds the leaks probably are breaches of UEFA's own procedures, but not enough to prejudice the investigation.

Leterme's comments at the start weren't too clever, but I don't think we'll get the case thrown out because of them either.
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It’s not just the public utterances we need to scrutinise. In 2014 there were last minute changes to FFP rules that effectively resulted in us failing a process that we’d worked with UEFA to pass. There must be paperwork of meetings, email trails that show how and why these changes came about. City’s lawyers will be looking to destroy UEFA from within - they clearly have an agenda to exclude us but I very much doubt they have executed their plans and covered their tracks - they are too arrogant for that. In this case the value is not in the public domain it will be in emails and briefing notes and instructions given to consultants who will have been testing the impact of proposed changes on different clubs including us. You can’t orchestrate a campaign like the one UEFA have against us and not leave some clues behind. It might be that UEFA have purged their offices but that’ll stink to high heaven and won’t be viewed favourably by a court and will be ceased upon as evidence of guilt by our legal eagles.
 
nmc said:
It’s not just the public utterances we need to scrutinise. In 2014 there were last minute changes to FFP rules that effectively resulted in us failing a process that we’d worked with UEFA to pass. There must be paperwork of meetings, email trails that show how and why these changes came about. City’s lawyers will be looking to destroy UEFA from within - they clearly have an agenda to exclude us but I very much doubt they have executed their plans and covered their tracks - they are too arrogant for that. In this case the value is not in the public domain it will be in emails and briefing notes and instructions given to consultants who will have been testing the impact of proposed changes on different clubs including us. You can’t orchestrate a campaign like the one UEFA have against us and not leave some clues behind. It might be that UEFA have purged their offices but that’ll stink to high heaven and won’t be viewed favourably by a court and will be ceased upon as evidence of guilt by our legal eagles.
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City were always going to fail in 2014. They hoped to be close enough to not get a heavy sanction.
The goalpost/toolkit move meant City missed by a lot more.

I'm not sure why it's relevant to the current case though.
 
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