UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[paulchapo]

Agreed, it feels like people are getting a bit carried away.

I know, I WANT to believe it and trust certain people are privvy to information that is going to be the magic bullet but we've been here before.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

There's an element of Chinese whispers here. PB here says he imagines City will fight Liverpool in public. This is his opinion, but it is suddenly being interpreted as a fait accompli.

Or a heavy dose of wishful thinking.

 

[Pam]

Because mud sticks!
Do you honestly think if we're cleared of any wrong doing that people will stop calling us cheats

No, but who cares? Nothing like a spot of siege mentality to galvanize a playing squad.

 

[Dicko69]

In my 43 years supporting city, its never been boring. Except when Pearce was the manager.

 

[xgorton]

Or a heavy dose of wishful thinking.

China Crisis ?

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Agreed, it feels like people are getting a bit carried away.

Just a bit.

 

[lust overlord]

So if a journalist is very careful they will be able to

Ha possibly.

Won't be able to outright accuse us of cheating and lying though or going too heavy with the innuendo.

 

[mrtwiceaseason]

You’d know more than me but I assume this software can search for particular terms. Have Der Spiegel or others only searched terms like ‘Manchester City’, ‘Etihad’, ‘Dirty Arab Oil money’ etc....

Think they just put in empty seats in the search box and only City came up :+)

 

[Gordyola]

As a Chelsea supporter I really am neutral on the whole issue but unlike other matters with UEFAs jurisdictions participating in UEFAs competitions is dependant on getting a license. Each club has to make an application and jump through all sorts of hoops.

I am far far from an expert but here’s one of the conditions that you are required to accept.

LEGAL CRITERIA
Declaration in respect of participation in UEFA club competitions
1 The licence applicant must submit a legally valid declaration confirming the following:
a) It recognises as legally binding the statutes, regulations, directives and decisions of FIFA, UEFA, the UEFA member association and, if any, the national league as well as the jurisdiction of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Lausanne as provided in the relevant articles of the UEFA Statutes;
b) At national level it will play in competitions recognised and endorsed by the UEFA member association (e.g. national championship, national cup);
c) At international level it will participate in competitions recognised by UEFA or FIFA (to avoid any doubt, this provision does not relate to friendly matches);
d) It will promptly inform the licensor about any significant change, event or condition of major economic importance;
e) Itwillabidebyandobservetheclublicensingregulationsofthelicensor;
f) It will abide by and observe the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play
Regulations;
g) ItsreportingperimeterisdefinedinaccordancewithArticle46bis;
h) It will be accountable for any consequences of an entity included in the
reporting perimeter not abiding by and observing items e) and f) above;
i) All submitted documents are complete and correct;
j) It authorises the competent national club licensing administration and national
club licensing bodies, the UEFA administration and the UEFA Organs for the Administration of Justice to examine any relevant document and seek information from any relevant public authority or private body in accordance with national law;
k) It acknowledges that UEFA reserves the right to execute compliance audits at national level in accordance with Article 71.
2 The declaration must be executed by an authorised signatory of the licence applicant no more than three months prior to the deadline for its submission

There’s a famous saying “contracts aren’t worth the paper they are written on” Thd above terms and conditions are valid until challenged in a court of law If as the European Cartel League is a commercial enterprise and basically a monopoly run by a commercial organisation (UEFA) that competes with its customers (club) then the terms and conditions can very much be challenged FFP could be one that could be seen to restrict trade etc

 

[Akpowell]

Prestwich_Blue, what makes you say that UEFA do not have those e-mails. That supposedly incriminate us. There is something that doesn't hold up. If UEFA have only the so called article by DER Spiegel, surely in wouldn't take CAS long to come to a judgement. Where they either say your guilty or not guilty. I still think that UEFA are holding something back in case this does not go their way.

Yeah, i think this is a distinct possibility, if it's not going there way, they'll pull the joker out of the pack and trump us.

 

[Damocles]

Yeah, i think this is a distinct possibility, if it's not going there way, they'll pull the joker out of the pack and trump us.

Unbelievable ragness

 

[Rammy Blue]

Unbelievable ragness

The guy he quotes is one of the worst too.

 

[Gordyola]

Surely this will mean the club produce those emails in their entirety at the CAS hearing?

Or say they are faked and do not exist or were modified by a criminal and DS were duped The President of UAE says the UAE government paid the money to Etihad would a CAS call him a liar? There so many options

 

[George Hannah]

Yeah, i think this is a distinct possibility, if it's not going there way, they'll pull the joker out of the pack and trump us.

UEFA were forced into this showdown by the cartel. When their ban is overturned they'll just shrug their shoulders and tell KHR/Gill/Parry et al they did their best to inflict as much damage on us as they could.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I think the answer lies here:
https://investigativejournal.org/qatars-hack-of-our-democracies/

That is scary. Pretty much sounds like the playbook used on City.

 

[cityontheup]

Yeah, i think this is a distinct possibility, if it's not going there way, they'll pull the joker out of the pack and trump us.

If UEFA have these emails could that be classed as receiving stolen goods?

 

[BringBackSwales]

Uranus?

To be fair in my case my anus is bigger than my brain, but I imagine PB’s brain is bigger than both

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Because mud sticks!
Do you honestly think if we're cleared of any wrong doing that people will stop calling us cheats

That's what will happen. It goes back, in my opinion, to 2014 when we accepted a "pinch" instead of fighting it. All it did was to leave the watching EPL world a reason to believe that we were working outside the rules and mud has obviously stuck. If people were left with the belief that we could flout the rules with very little in the way of sanctions to harm us then we might try to flout them again and again. Yes, mud sticks.

 

[Gordyola]

I can tell you that UEFA don't have the emails. Their sole evidence, the thing they've based their case on, is the Der Spiegel stories. That is it. They can't prove that these emails ever existed or are genuine.

No wonder we wre so confident. CAS will laugh them out of court.

Said all along that City will say they don’t exist or have been modified DS have cut off the bottom of the email. EMails from City comply with the necessary legal disclaimer and company registration information. Other posters have pointed out that the text is not consistent DS may get a knock at the door one day which may result in a big bill

 

[George Hannah]

That is scary. Pretty much sounds like the playbook used on City.

Our good friend Mr Harris does a lot of work for them does he not?