UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Proy]

PB thinks that is all they have, and he has info from someone who knows what's happening at UEFA.

I genuinely believe UEFA are stupid enough to build, trial and execute with absolutely no evidence.

The thing is, they don’t have to. They make the rules, the implement them and they are never looked at independently.

I’ve read some stories that they don’t even send representation to CAS barely. Not sure how true that is.

All they’ve done here is took a punt. Hoping that some of the ban may stick.

The real aim in all of this is to further damage the clubs name.

 

[bluealf]

Can you see our chairman embarrassing himself and in a double move embarrassing His Royal Highness Sheikh Mansoor?

Something strongly suggests that is a no for me.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Absolutely correct, but almost nobody in the press seems to realize this. Are they thick or is it just a case of making the sexiest story?

The press don't care. We have always been guilty in their eyes for challenging the cartel this is just more shit to throw at us.

 

[Proy]

I think UEFA's AC were in a very dificult position. The hawks wanted City sanctioned but the evidence was not there so they prevaricated for months before being forced off the fence. They fell on the predictable side knowing that CAS would in all likelihood reverse their decision and UEFA could at least look tough on Arab money.

I think City would have bent over backwards if we felt weak and were unsure of our position at the CAS. The fact that we have stuck our heels in suggests to me that we almost know for certain which way CAS are going to go. This is not like a normal case because City have already been to CAS. We must know their advice (beyond their official published judgement).

UEFA will be laughed out of CAS, but the story will read as follows:

UEFA tried everything to bring to justice Manchester City F.C and their suspected non compliance with FFP. The ban and subsequent fine, we felt, was fair. We had and still believe we have concrete evidence

Public opinion will be: Bought their way out, again! Bent bastards. Corrupt. Even UEFA can’t stop them now!

You know that’s exactly how it will play. There will not be a headline that says Man City are innocent or an article that even considers entertaining the fact that we actually did fuck all wrong and that this was in fact a witch hunt.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The thing is, if UEFA had all the emails that Der Spiegel had, why did they need to open an investigation and talk to us at all? Why did it take the AC 9 months to confirm its decision? Why did they need us to co-operate?

If they had everything then surely they had us bang to rights?

They wanted us to find ourselves guilty.

 

[BAB.DAB]

You lot keep mentioning the 2nd World War, bollocks to that, this is more like Rourke's Drift.

The bugler has just been told 'spit boy spit'

Don't think the cartel will salute us at the end!

 

[domalino]

UEFA will be laughed out of CAS, but the story will read as follows:

UEFA tried everything to bring to justice Manchester City F.C and their suspected non compliance with FFP. The ban and subsequent fine, we felt, was fair. We had and still believe we have concrete evidence

Public opinion will be: Bought their way out, again! Bent bastards. Corrupt. Even UEFA can’t stop them now!

You know that’s exactly how it will play. There will not be a headline that says Man City are innocent or an article that even considers entertaining the fact that we actually did fuck all wrong and that this was in fact a witch hunt.

CAS publish their opinions though.

Our appeal will be divided into parts and they'll answer each part with a judgement.

And if part of City's appeal is their "irrefutable proof" and that UEFA didn't let them hear it, CAS will write a scathing opinion about it.

 

[Grassland Blue]

One huge issue with that.

We accept a fine we accept guilt and Khaldoon, Ferran etc need to be sacked its that simple.

You dont tell us we have done nothing wrong and will fight this to then accept yet another pinch!

Nail on head.
Either innocent or guilty - nothing in between.
Why should City 'take a pinch'?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I genuinely believe UEFA are stupid enough to build, trial and execute with absolutely no evidence.

The thing is, they don’t have to. They make the rules, the implement them and they are never looked at independently.

I’ve read some stories that they don’t even send representation to CAS barely. Not sure how true that is.

All they’ve done here is took a punt. Hoping that some of the ban may stick.

The real aim in all of this is to further damage the clubs name.

It's difficult to understand how stupidly some of these powerful people behave. They seem to lose all sense of reality. I mean Platini can't be a stupid person but yet he seemed surpised when he was arrested after getting a £1m payment into his account from Blatter for work he claimed he had done nine years earlier. To repeat an unfortunate phrase from one of our emails they think "they can do what they want."

 

[George Hannah]

Redaction is not doctoring nor material. Its perfectly normal and reasonable. Doctored has certain connotations (ie to mislead) which you are either suggesting or not.

I think the consensus among City fans is they were presented in isolation and out of proper context precisely in order to mislead - redaction of key data to falsely misrepresent their significance is doctoring pure and simple. That it is clearly material to refuting the substance of UEFA's allegations is also the official club position not just my opinion. I'm nominating you for the @johnnytapia award for dissembling lexical wiff waff ;)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

They wanted us to find ourselves guilty.

Exactly. If they had all the information then they didn't need us.

 

[CC1]

The Der Spiegel emails don't prove the case (whatever the case is). Not even close.

UEFA - a law unto themselves. I don’t believe they need to prove the case. They’ve got the backing of the whole of Europe & they know it. They believe they’ve won because they’re arrogant. But unfortunately they make the rules - even if they move the goalposts when they want. This hasn’t ever been challenged so they continue to do it. None of the speculation on here convinces me that we’ll win - the system is too corrupt & the implications so dramatic.

 

[CC1]

UEFA will be laughed out of CAS, but the story will read as follows:

UEFA tried everything to bring to justice Manchester City F.C and their suspected non compliance with FFP. The ban and subsequent fine, we felt, was fair. We had and still believe we have concrete evidence

Public opinion will be: Bought their way out, again! Bent bastards. Corrupt. Even UEFA can’t stop them now!

You know that’s exactly how it will play. There will not be a headline that says Man City are innocent or an article that even considers entertaining the fact that we actually did fuck all wrong and that this was in fact a witch hunt.

I’d settle for that outcome to be honest.

 

[Rammyblues]

Nothing short of total exhoneration and the complete opposite for UEFA IMO will do. If the decision has anything bad about us it will be that the press report. I think the damage to our reputation has already been done and I just wish we could sue the living daylights out of the people and or organisations responsible. As always though the CAS appeal will be a fudge.

 

[Essex blue]

I still don’t understand how Etihad airlines funding has anything to do with city.

surely if our bank account shows xxx millions received and Etihad show xxx paid from their bank account that’s end of surely.

How Etihad fund their sponsorship is s not our concern just as long as the money came from their bank to our bank

 

[Essex blue]

Take Newcastle Utd, sports direct owned by Ashley and sponsor the team but that’s ok.

On a ethical note is it ok to be sponsored by 3 betting company and a alcoholic drinks company? I don’t have a problem with it, just saying like!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I still don’t understand how Etihad airlines funding has anything to do with city.

surely if our bank account shows xxx millions received and Etihad show xxx paid from their bank account that’s end of surely.

How Etihad fund their sponsorship is s not our concern just as long as the money came from their bank to our bank

It's because disguised owner funding isn't allowed. If, as UEFA suggested, Etihad is a related party then even that is completely irrelevant. If it's not a related party then as long as the funding doesn't originate from ADUG then it is no business of theirs.

 

[johnnytapia]

I think the consensus among City fans is they were presented in isolation and out of proper context precisely in order to mislead - redaction of key data to falsely misrepresent their significance is doctoring pure and simple. That it is clearly material to refuting the substance of UEFA's allegations and also the official club position not just my opinion. I'm nominating you for the @johnnytapia award for dissembling lexical wiff waff ;)

 

[George Hannah]

UEFA - a law unto themselves. I don’t believe they need to prove the case. They’ve got the backing of the whole of Europe & they know it. They believe they’ve won because they’re arrogant. But unfortunately they make the rules - even if they move the goalposts when they want. This hasn’t ever been challenged so they continue to do it. None of the speculation on here convinces me that we’ll win - the system is too corrupt & the implications so dramatic.

We have proven the cartel and UEFA are corrupt and fuel their hatred through our success on the pitch - if they take us off it they have won.
We need to overturn this ban.

 

[George Hannah]

It's because disguised owner funding isn't allowed. If, as UEFA suggested, Etihad is a related party then even that is completely irrelevant. If it's not a related party then as long as the funding doesn't originate from ADUG then it is no business of theirs.

Case closed Colin - tell your mate Stefan ;)