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Chippy_boy said:
I think you'll find people have been making balanced and reasonable claims and projections. The WHO have reported a much higher death rate and yet people like me - who you might regard as being one of the more alarmist - have been using figures like 1% anyway.

If you take the raw numbers and projections, then yes it does look apocalyptic. But hopefully we can avoid that with appropriate actions.
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So this is apocalyptic?? A 1% death rate! Really ? I'm guessing you have been lucky enough in your life to have not had much adversity or serious illness in your family. Unfortunately I have. Unfortunately Cancer has affected my family and close friends very badly. 380,000 people will be diagnosed with Cancer this year in the UK and about 170,000 people will die and 1 in 3 of us in our life will get cancer.

I know you are really good at maths Chippy so you work out the how deadly Cancer is compared to Coronavirus.

And then come back and tell me how apocalytic a 1% or a 4% death rate is? Sure it's terrible and we should be doing all we can to avoid it. But I'm guessing that even you, one of the most pessimistic people on this thread (or a realist as you like to say) kind of thinks that in a couple of years time mankind will have developed a vaccine for this flu virus and it will fortunately be nearly eradicated. Sadly despite medical advances we are likely to be several decades away from such a result with Cancer. Perhaps you should think on that my my friend before your next apocalyptic post.
 
Don't think he needs an introduction but anyway he's an Italian porn star.

"Get your tits out but don't go out
share the new hashtag and let's all stay home
#titsoutbutistayin"
 
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worsleyweb said:
Sense a bit of a change in the media this morning. Although the situation in Italy is alarming if i was a betting man this will hardly be getting a mention by May / June. Could well be wrong but that is my prediction for what it is worth.
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Not sure I agree with that,
 
urban genie said:
This government a comprehensive plan

Ha ha you're funny
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To be fair, I am sure they have. There's lots of tough decisions to be made. It's not a "no brainer" to take actions which will put companies out of business and people out of work. Such decisions are inevitably a balance weighing up the risks, the possible benefit and the adverse consequences.

I am sure the government has top scientists working on it and providing daily advice and that yes there is an overall strategy. Whether we agree with it is s different question.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
So this is apocalyptic?? A 1% death rate! Really ? I'm guessing you have been lucky enough in your life to have not had much adversity or serious illness in your family. Unfortunately I have. Unfortunately Cancer has affected my family and close friends very badly. 380,000 people will be diagnosed with Cancer this year in the UK and about 170,000 people will die and 1 in 3 of us in our life will get cancer.

I know you are really good at maths Chippy so you work out the how deadly Cancer is compared to Coronavirus.

And then come back and tell me how apocalytic a 1% or a 4% death rate is? Sure it's terrible and we should be doing all we can to avoid it. But I'm guessing that even you, one of the most pessimistic people on this thread (or a realist as you like to say) kind of thinks that in a couple of years time mankind will have developed a vaccine for this flu virus and it will fortunately be nearly eradicated. Sadly despite medical advances we are likely to be several decades away from such a result with Cancer. Perhaps you should think on that my my friend before your next apocalyptic post.
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Do you think it's only the death rate that defines how serious this is? The knock on effect will harm people whether they have coronavirus or not. Obviously we all know what cancer is and how common it is. If our hospitals are suddenly flooded with people with coronavirus then we can expect cancer operations and other life saving procedures to be postponed. A paralysed NHS will harm all sorts of people in all sorts of ways and we all need to look at the bigger picture.
 
Mon Autre said:
That isn't the only thing people find hard to accept though (although yes I really struggle with such a callous idea. Particularly coming from someone whose loved ones have access to whatever healthcare is needed on the spot). It's also the idea that a significant percentage of our entire workforce and our public services could be off work all at once and bring the entire country to a standstill. It won't be just the vulnerable that take the hit in that case. It was an incredibly stupid thing to say or even mention as a theory. It won't be our strategy and it won't be any other country's strategy either so why even plant a seed that is likely to make a number of people adopt an even more blasé attitude that will endanger other people around them? This is the second time he's spoken publicly in a week and given out dangerously misleading information. We need strong credible leadership at a time like this and instead we have this kind of waffle that is putting people at risk. This has already turned into something bigger than a lot of people anticipated and when I look at the leaders of two supposed grest nations such as the US and UK it's laughable/terrifying that these are the people expected to lead us out of it.
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I'm not supporting the idea myself, just responding to a quote that this was a BoJo/Cummings idea, but it is exactly what we are doing at the moment and what other countries have done. With the evidence from China, as soon as one case is confirmed to have spread within your borders then if you don't agree with the theory you should be advocating draconian travel bans & quarantine measures such as was observed within Wuhan. Of course everyone will say this is absurd, and it is, but that would be accepting that you are willing to allow the theory for some time, then declare war on it.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
So this is apocalyptic?? A 1% death rate! Really ? I'm guessing you have been lucky enough in your life to have not had much adversity or serious illness in your family. Unfortunately I have. Unfortunately Cancer has affected my family and close friends very badly. 380,000 people will be diagnosed with Cancer this year in the UK and about 170,000 people will die and 1 in 3 of us in our life will get cancer.

I know you are really good at maths Chippy so you work out the how deadly Cancer is compared to Coronavirus.

And then come back and tell me how apocalytic a 1% or a 4% death rate is? Sure it's terrible and we should be doing all we can to avoid it. But I'm guessing that even you, one of the most pessimistic people on this thread (or a realist as you like to say) kind of thinks that in a couple of years time mankind will have developed a vaccine for this flu virus and it will fortunately be nearly eradicated. Sadly despite medical advances we are likely to be several decades away from such a result with Cancer. Perhaps you should think on that my my friend before your next apocalyptic post.
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You have done it now, he will be all over this like a rash. Be ready for his response
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Unfortunately Cancer has affected my family and close friends very badly. 380,000 people will be diagnosed with Cancer this year in the UK and about 170,000 people will die and 1 in 3 of us in our life will get cancer.
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And we do everything we can to avoid being diagnosed with cancer and you can’t catch cancer by attending a sporting event and mixing with people with cancer.

Yet again, your whataboutisms plumb the depth.

And he didn’t claim 1% was apocalyptical, did he.
 
Chippy_boy said:
To be fair, I am sure they have. There's lots of tough decisions to be made. It's not a "no brainer" to take actions which will put companies out of business and people out of work. Such decisions are inevitably a balance weighing up the risks, the possible benefit and the adverse consequences.

I am sure the government has top scientists working on it and providing daily advice and that yes there is an overall strategy. Whether we agree with it is s different question.
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Any government would have top scientist working on it.

But the only plan I am seeing from gov is wait it out till it's warmer atm.

We are at infection rates similar to Italy 2 weeks ago, who acted too slowly, yes you have to balance the economic hit but lives come first
 
Uffa said:
Heat also kills the virus, I say we make sure with a nice pyre.
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TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
I'm not supporting the idea myself, just responding to a quote that this was a BoJo/Cummings idea, but it is exactly what we are doing at the moment and what other countries have done. With the evidence from China, as soon as one case is confirmed to have spread within your borders then if you don't agree with the theory you should be advocating draconian travel bans & quarantine measures such as was observed within Wuhan. Of course everyone will say this is absurd, and it is, but that would be accepting that you are willing to allow the theory for some time, then declare war on it.
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Yeah, to clarify I didn't think you supporting the idea. I just think regardless of the pros and cons of the idea it was a stupid thing for him to say when the message at the forefront should be reiterating what we personally need to be doing to slow the spread. Verbalising any kind of message along the lines of "what will be will be" is a needless distraction.

Travel bans and quarantines may be something we need to bite the bullet on if it deemed effective. I guess it also needs to be offset against the harm that would cause in itself. How many people will die as a result of putting the country in lockdown? Blows my mind how much scenario planning and forecasting must be going on in the background. I just hope that whatever we do is dictated by harm reduction rather than PR/optics.
 
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