COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[urban genie]

Death number six.

 

[True_Blue69]

Not doubling every 2 days at least as a lot were confidently predicting .

 

[urban genie]

A lot of peoples attitude us akin to when a fire alarm goes off in a building.

No one takes any notice to the possible danger.

 

[Phil1]

Not doubling every 2 days at least as a lot were confidently predicting .

Probably due to the lack of testing and people wondering about with the attitude it'll all blow over, nothing to worry about.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Markets up 3% today.

all heading back into negative territory- the situation in the U.S over the next week or so will determine the gravity of this stock market meltdown - looks like Roubini will be proven right on this one again. If as I suspect we will see a huge rise in U.S positives as they finally start testing people at the rate they should have been doing weeks ago, then this will make the subprime debt financial crisis look like a walk in the park. Hope I’m wrong but I suspect the US will be the Italian equivalent of the epicenter for the americas but with much greater repercussions on an economic level. Take a bow Trump..

 

[hello]

FTSE up 0.7% at the moment.
Not mega as Marv was predicting.

Wow an unexpected bonus of the ignore function there ;-)

 

[SebastianBlue]

all heading back into negative territory- the situation in the U.S over the next week or so will determine the gravity of this stock market meltdown - looks like Roubini will be proven right on this one again. If as I suspect we will see a huge rise in U.S positives as they finally start testing people at the rate they should have been doing weeks ago, then this will make the subprime debt financial crisis look like a walk in the park. Hope I’m wrong but I suspect the US will be the Italian equivalent of the epicenter for the americas but with much greater repercussions on an economic level. Take a bow Trump..

It’s fine, mate, he’s addressing this COVID-19 lark by cutting the taxes taken out of paychecks fewer and fewer people will be receiving as things progress. It’s much more effective than slowing the transmission of the virus.

Crisis averted, now go back to buying things while you still can.

 

[Blue Smarties]

Are you implying that those calling out a false equivalency (including many health experts) that has been echoed in this thread for pages and pages are wearing tin foil?

I hope I have misunderstood, as I would not expect something like that from you.

This thread started off as a good place to dip into for a fair and educated update. I personally feel it’s now becoming an echo chamber of panic and worry.

Yes, this virus is something we should be concerned about, however what we don’t need is multiple posts an hour essentially regurgitating the same information and worst case scenarios.

As far as myself and many others are concerned it is carry on life with a heightened awareness of high hygiene standards.

I work at a global advertising agency in London. We have many colleagues and clients from all around the world - China, Italy, etc.

Our clients and colleagues in those areas are relatively upbeat (as best they can) but certainly not hysterical about their situation.

What we’re also doing is working together to make sure we keep up a good level of hygiene. What we’re not doing is allowing ourselves to be consumed by the situation we are in.

All we achieve from updating this thread by the minute is a regurgitation of information which heightens panic among the most active users.

You need as much normality in your life as possible, which for many wasn’t refreshing the same thread on a football forum every 5 minutes.

 

[marco]

Not doubling every 2 days at least as a lot were confidently predicting .

TBH i thought it would have been over a thousand by now with more deaths than we have had,fingers crossed it stays at these low increases

 

[urban genie]

Just looked through the timeline indepth and we are on a par or just above Italys rate in the asame period from the first case in the country.

They then jumped rapidly in numbers because of inaction, some may scoff that people are being tin foul hatted, but I would rather be paranoid and alive than in an ICU because the government was too slow.

 

[SebastianBlue]

This thread started off as a good place to dip into for a fair and educated update. I personally feel it’s now becoming an echo chamber of panic and worry.

Yes, this virus is something we should be concerned about, however what we don’t need is multiple posts an hour essentially regurgitating the same information and worst case scenarios.

As far as myself and many others are concerned it is carry on life with a heightened awareness of high hygiene standards.

I work at a global advertising agency in London. We have many colleagues and clients from all around the world - China, Italy, etc.

Our clients and colleagues in those areas are relatively upbeat (as best they can) but certainly not hysterical about their situation.

What we’re also doing is working together to make sure we keep up a good level of hygiene. What we’re not doing is allowing ourselves to be consumed by the situation we are in.

All we achieve from updating this thread by the minute is a regurgitation of information which heightens panic among the most active users.

You need as much normality in your life as possible, which for many wasn’t refreshing the same thread on a football forum every 5 minutes.

I don’t disagree with most of that, mate — and my approach has been to keep the discussion on a reasonable, evidence-based path, hence why I was calling out a dangerous false equivalency (as many much more learned experts away from BM have) being made over and over again in the thread.

But you didn’t answer my question.

By the way, I work for a global firm and manage teams in the UK, US, Spain, Germany, and Hong Kong, and I agree many are looking to stay upbeat whilst still taking appropriate measures to avoid contracting the virus and/or transmitting it in order to slow the spread, according to official WHO guidance.

The issue most bring up to me is that some of their governments do not seem to be following that same guidance under the guise of avoiding economic impact (apparently not fully realising that it will itself negatively impact the economy, potentially as much, if not more).

This is where much of the reasonable criticism popping up in this thread comes from. I don’t subscribe to the conspiracies or hysteria, and I think my posts in the thread attest to that, but I have no problem with reasonable discussion about appropriate (or lack thereof) response from governments, businesses, and society-at-large.

And I will always err on the side of caution in these cases because the downside of reasonable action is much less than the downside of ignoring the problem hoping it will go away on its own. We can combat the spread whilst limiting economic impact with competent policy and enforcement, as well as educated, compassionate discourse.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

It’s fine, mate, he’s addressing this COVID-19 lark by cutting the taxes taken out of paychecks fewer and fewer people will be receiving as things progress. It’s much more effective than slowing the transmission of the virus.

Crisis averted, now go back to buying things while you still can.

when you consider the American healthcare system being fully private, can you imagine the amount of people that just simply can’t afford to go to the doctors/hospital out of sheer fear of being made bankrupt.I read a case recently where somebody was presented with a five figure bill after having to stay at the hospital for six or seven days I think it was.. a perfect storm is brewing there and trump will be responsible for it

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

FTSE up 0.7% at the moment.
Not mega as Marv was predicting.

They can’t seem to hold the gains. Bit of a concern especially as I work in this industry and it’s making my job a nightmare!

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

This thread started off as a good place to dip into for a fair and educated update. I personally feel it’s now becoming an echo chamber of panic and worry.

Yes, this virus is something we should be concerned about, however what we don’t need is multiple posts an hour essentially regurgitating the same information and worst case scenarios.

As far as myself and many others are concerned it is carry on life with a heightened awareness of high hygiene standards.

I work at a global advertising agency in London. We have many colleagues and clients from all around the world - China, Italy, etc.

Our clients and colleagues in those areas are relatively upbeat (as best they can) but certainly not hysterical about their situation.

What we’re also doing is working together to make sure we keep up a good level of hygiene. What we’re not doing is allowing ourselves to be consumed by the situation we are in.

All we achieve from updating this thread by the minute is a regurgitation of information which heightens panic among the most active users.

You need as much normality in your life as possible, which for many wasn’t refreshing the same thread on a football forum every 5 minutes.

I work for a small independent agency and we have had ad guys calling us asking if we are still having face to face meetings! I asked why wouldn't we be and there wasn't an answer. Mass hysteria seems to taken over the world at the moment.

 

[SWP's back]

Has it taken you this long to realise

Are you ever going to actually contribute anything to this fucking thread or are you just going to sit on the sidelines sniping like a teenage tart.

Again, if you disagree with any of the factual posting I do then pull me up on it. Correct my mistakes. Show me where I’ve err’d. Add something useful rather than simply optimistic hopes and idiotic questions.

Or simple put me on ignore, or log off or do ya all a favour and read yourself a book.

 

[marco]

when you consider the American healthcare system being fully private, can you imagine the amount of people that just simply can’t afford to go to the doctors/hospital out of sheer fear of being made bankrupt.I read a case recently where somebody was presented with a five figure bill after having to stay at the hospital for six or seven days I think it was.. a perfect storm is brewing there and trump will be responsible for it

are there any figures of how many US citizens do not have medical cover

 

[SebastianBlue]

when you consider the American healthcare system being fully private, can you imagine the amount of people that just simply can’t afford to go to the doctors/hospital out of sheer fear of being made bankrupt.I read a case recently where somebody was presented with a five figure bill after having to stay at the hospital for six or seven days I think it was.. a perfect storm is brewing there and trump will be responsible for it

There are many, many issues with the US response — if you can call it that — which unfortunately I will have to contend with as I currently live in America, but that is absolutely one of the bigger ones.

The current structure of the US healthcare system is especially problematic in the context of involuntary quarantine and testing, as there is no current law clarifying that a citizen is not responsible for the cost (both healthcare charges and loss of income). That means, unless Congress and the president act to pass legislation forcing insurance companies and/or the federal/state/municipal governments to cover costs related involuntary health actions, people will be put in the position of literally being sent bills of thousands of dollars for things they never requested whilst not receiving income to pay for those unsolicited services.

And, as you touched upon, the implications of the actions people will take to avoid that situation are equally troubling (again, it won’t slow down the spread of the virus).

 

[SWP's back]

FTSE up 0.7% at the moment.
Not mega as Marv was predicting.

To be fair to him. I expect he was talking about the S&P as the FTSE isn’t really a measure of global confidence.

 

[SWP's back]

Not doubling every 2 days at least as a lot were confidently predicting .

Have you read what happens when you call 111 and say you believe you have the symptoms of Covid-19?

And you’re surprised it’s not doubled? (Also it was doubling ever 3-4 days, not 2)

 

[discopop]

As a sales guy who represents 6 Italian companies and all of them in Lombardy they seem to be pretty stoic about things and not showing much panic we will see how that lasts as the month goes on, on another note one of our friends parents are on a Fred Olsen cruise where two returnees have tested positive, whilst I am not Cpl Jones type when you start getting people you know dragged into it, it does get you at it a little.

on a slightly happier note I do supply into Essity, Kimberly Clark and Northwood tissue so at least I can pick up some plentiful bog roll on my travels