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Chippy_boy said:
Yes that is puzzling, but my take on it is that flu could also be contained if we took the draconian measures already seen, closing down communities, shutting people in theIr homes and even welding the doors shut. It's just we've never done that with flu. And never could because the expected mortality could never justify it. So flu always has to spread uncontrolled whereas in these unprecedented times, we do have the possibility of containing COVID-19.
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Also the flu jab is available for the elderly before the winter season starts. People's immunity systems are used to the flu.
The vaccine isn't there for this yet.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I agree with @TheRemainsOfTheDave on this as well. There is reasonable grounds for hope that summer may bring some respite. The scientists will have modelled all of this and will be looking at measures to try to lower the peak - push cases out a few weeks/months - as much as possible. Fuck it, I am going to draw it...

What we want is the green line, not the red one.

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That's very neat!

I understand the flattened curve idea - I don't think it has a lot to do with my comment though (I may be missing something). I thought much of the curve idea was to prevent overload on resources.

Summer will be better for various reasons which add up - I'd suggest these include less people will have colds so less spluttering and spreading; more sunlight/uv/temperature which will make the virus degrade better (surfaces would heat up in direct sunlight, and viruses don't like heat).
 
Nightmare Walking said:
You speak a lot of sense and in principal I agree with what you say in regards to balance.
But the issue with me is the NHS. I don't think people understand how overworked they are under normal circumstances.
Now I have Crohns disease and it can be very severe. Before Xmas my kidneys failed twice and I had two stays in hospital. The first time I went to Crumpsall. While I was waiting for a bed, I was sat in a corridor on a drip. In this corridor there were old people lay on beds, being treated in absolutely freezing conditions. There were people having bloods taken in waiting rooms. It was horrendous.
Now I got out and a week later my kidneys failed again and I was in a really bad way. I managed to get myself to the MRI. I had a 5 hour wait while they took my bloods, was told that I would be staying in. I had a cannula put in and drip attached, then had to sit in the A&E waiting room for 6 hours while they found a bed they transport people on to procedures for me. Another 12 hours later I got onto a ward.
The staff were absolutely fantastic but there is absolutely no way the NHS can cope. Not a chance.
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absolutely mate and that is why those of us who are under the age of 60 with no pre existing conditions should not put extra pressure on the nhs unless absolutely necessary . In that category You are more than likely be ok so if you feel you have symptoms then you should self isolate and treat yourself at home. I tell you what there will be loads of people who have a cold will be demanding testing and treatment from the nhs when they don’t need it.

non essential operations and treatments should be postponed to release resource to deal with it as well ( I am sure this is happening )
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
absolutely mate and that is why those of us who are under the age of 60 with no pre existing conditions should not put extra pressure on the nhs unless absolutely necessary . In that category You are more than likely be ok so if you feel you have symptoms then you should self isolate and treat yourself at home. I tell you what there will be loads of people who have a cold will be demanding testing and treatment from the nhs when they don’t need it.

non essential operations and treatments should be postponed to release resource to deal with it as well ( I am sure this is happening )
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I made the point about needless tests a while back.
Worse than the waste of testing people who don't need it is that a portion of those people will be back repeatedly, determined to prove that they need the test.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I made the point about needless tests a while back.
Worse than the waste of testing people who don't need it is that a portion of those people will be back repeatedly, determined to prove that they need the test.
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my mates a GP he said his “regular customers” visit demanding a test when they don’t need it! They then come back a week later.....
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Also the flu jab is available for the elderly before the winter season starts. People's immunity systems are used to the flu.
The vaccine isn't there for this yet.
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there are a lot of strains of the flu, and the vaccine changes each year to suit the stains around. if a new strain came along then the vaccine may not work.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
absolutely mate and that is why those of us who are under the age of 60 with no pre existing conditions should not put extra pressure on the nhs unless absolutely necessary . In that category You are more than likely be ok so if you feel you have symptoms then you should self isolate and treat yourself at home. I tell you what there will be loads of people who have a cold will be demanding testing and treatment from the nhs when they don’t need it.

non essential operations and treatments should be postponed to release resource to deal with it as well ( I am sure this is happening )
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I am self isolating as of today. I have no immune system to fight it off. This woulduck me right up.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
absolutely mate and that is why those of us who are under the age of 60 with no pre existing conditions should not put extra pressure on the nhs unless absolutely necessary . In that category You are more than likely be ok so if you feel you have symptoms then you should self isolate and treat yourself at home. I tell you what there will be loads of people who have a cold will be demanding testing and treatment from the nhs when they don’t need it.

non essential operations and treatments should be postponed to release resource to deal with it as well ( I am sure this is happening )
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My mam who is 74 is scheduled for a cataract op in 3 weeks. Cannot envisage that taking place now

Look on the bright side, she wont see this coming
 
mayo31 said:
My mam who is 74 is scheduled for a cataract op in 3 weeks. Cannot envisage that taking place now

Look on the bright side, she wont see this coming
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Had my mam, 73 on the phone this morning telling me how worried she is about it all.

"You going bingo today mam" i ask?

"Yeah" she says lol and in the process of the day she will also get through her 40 fags!
 
MillionMilesAway said:
That's very neat!

I understand the flattened curve idea - I don't think it has a lot to do with my comment though (I may be missing something). I thought much of the curve idea was to prevent overload on resources.

Summer will be better for various reasons which add up - I'd suggest these include less people will have colds so less spluttering and spreading; more sunlight/uv/temperature which will make the virus degrade better (surfaces would heat up in direct sunlight, and viruses don't like heat).
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I agree, the flattened curve is about resources, but the summer is a key ingredient in flattening the curve I think. That's what I mean anyway. If we can delay and manage a gradual rise until summer than hopefully the peak won't be so sharp then.
 
mayo31 said:
My mam who is 74 is scheduled for a cataract op in 3 weeks. Cannot envisage that taking place now

Look on the bright side, she wont see this coming
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Good one!

My wife is getting ready to go to the hospital AS I TYPE for surgery to remove a tumor that has taken over the sinus cavity under the right side of her face and her right nostril. The hospital I’m taking her to in 30 mins is the one housing the COVID-19 patients in Chicago.

What, me worry?!

On a lighter note, friends out flying have been reporting back with passenger loads, currently running about 20% (80% empty), so its a great time to fly if you want to go anywhere!!!
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
why do they always talk about taking drastic action by closing football games. Why is it never west end shows or concerts , or award ceremonies ?

piers Morgan goes on about the govt shutting the uk down and It not taking enough action. But him and his presenters are happy to attend all the luvvy award ceremonies every night in London.

of course he wants it all shut down it doesn’t affect him, it just means there will be more people at home watching him shouting on tv.
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The entire capacity of all 40 West End Theatres is 42,053, the average attendance for a weekend of PL games is over 400,000. That's not including the well over 5,000 stewards + 1000 police (and unknown numbers of volunteers, bar staff etc).

Annual attendance in the West End was 14 million in 2017, in the football league + PL it was 48 million.

Yeah, I really wonder why it's football that gets mentioned first...
 
domalino said:
The entire capacity of all 40 West End Theatres is 42,053, the average attendance for a weekend of PL games is over 400,000. That's not including the well over 5,000 stewards + 1000 police (and unknown numbers of volunteers, bar staff etc).

Annual attendance in the West End was 14 million in 2017, in the football league + PL it was 48 million.

Yeah, I really wonder why it's football that gets mentioned first...
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and you researched all that to prove what , you are a smart arse?

I think it’s well known that being indoors in close proximity is much worse than being outdoors.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I agree with @TheRemainsOfTheDave on this as well. There is reasonable grounds for hope that summer may bring some respite. The scientists will have modelled all of this and will be looking at measures to try to lower the peak - push cases out a few weeks/months - as much as possible. Fuck it, I am going to draw it...

What we want is the green line, not the red one.

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Absolutely amateur attempt.

Professionals do it freehand. ;-)
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There is a woman on TV going mad about 111.

her 11 year old son had a cold and a bit of temperature the other night so she rang 111

they asked her questions

has he any underlying conditions
Do you know whether he has any contact with someone known to have covid
Has he travelled to any affected area recently.

all answers were no so they said her son could not have a test , he is in a low risk category

she said this was outrageous and is really dangerous.

Victoria asked her how her son was , she said oh he is fine now , but it’s outrageous he should have ben tested.
 
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