COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[urban genie]

Joking and moaning aside and being seriously honest what I got from that presser was that the NHS cannot cope with this at the momment and any escalation quickly would be unthinkable and so we are just trying to blag it/get by until we can try and get at least on a better footing.

Not a criticism as any governemnt would be in the same postiin as the NHS has be fucked about with for years and doesn't cope in normal winter outbreaks.

Maybe we can ask the chinese to send over those hospitals they built and are now closing and packing away in Wuhan ;-)

It a sad state of affairs tbh.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

It was a joke about your saying “virus” rather than “vaccine”, as you meant to say. ;-)

Haha, caught you out, I corrected it before you had chance to post.

 

[Ban-jani]

but they are not initiating lockdown,they want people to catch it in stages to encourage immunity,the old and vulnerable will catch it and die so long as the rest are allowed to be put in uneccessary situations to get it,if they are trying to protect the vulnerable they have a weird way of showing it,the vulnerable cant be cured of it so they are clogging up the nhs as it is,stop it as much as you can for everyone

there is zero reason to let large scale gatherings continue,people going to work and shopping etc will spread it enough

Have you watched the presser?

The vulnerable are being told now to take extra measures compared to the fit and healthy now.

When the lockdown comes, which needs to be at the right time, they will be the first to be ordered to, to protect them.

Reading between the lines China may well have to go through it again once the lockdown finishes and our plan is to try and build up immunity.

They have the best scientists available on this.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

everyone has made a vaccine already,it will be ready in 12-18 mths time

that's good, shall we get a sit-down meeting with coronavirus and ask it to come back midway through 2021?

 

[SebastianBlue]

Haha, caught you out, I corrected it before you had chance to post.

Or did you... ;-)

Jokes aside, I understand the reasoning behind your response to @mat, but there are very real consequences to building heard immunity in this fashion (it is usually a concept applied to gradual, natural acquisition of immunity to an endemic pathogen), especially in the context of a potentially overwhelmed healthcare system, so this is still a very risky strategy.

And I say that as a fairly young person that is unfortunately still in the ‘high risk’ population.

 

[kaz7]

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But the old and vulnerable have been told to isolate themselves. Those with conditions, and I have one or two, need to manage their own situation and get to know the risks to themselves. I think the government are considering what happens if there's no vaccine if this comes round again.

there will be a vaccine,there are ones starting trials now

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Joking and moaning aside and being seriously honest what I got from that presser was that the NHS cannot cope with this at the momment and any escalation quickly would be unthinkable and so we are just trying to blag it/get by until we can try and get at least on a better footing.

Not a criticism as any governemnt would be in the same postiin as the NHS has be fucked about with for years and doesn't cope in normal winter outbreaks.

Maybe we can ask the chinese to send over those hospitals they built and are now closing and packing away in Wuhan ;-)

It a sad state of affairs tbh.

Hopefully not the one that fell down.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Any vaccine is for next year not this. What people don’t seem to get is that this virus is probably going to become endemic now so, even if we managed to get rid of it this year, in all likelihood, it’ll be back next year.

Hence my point. People are slating the government for trying to forward plan here.

 

[Ban-jani]

Only if the system can handle the overall volume. If the system can’t then the elderly and infirm will be low priority for treatment. Even at capacity or just below it is inevitable that at risk categories will become lower priority. To create herd immunity people have to recover. The elderly are less likely to recover and will not be around long enough even if they do.

That’s why they’ll be isolated so they don’t catch it, the rest of us will build the herd immunity and will have to be careful around the elderly.

 

[The blue phantom]

A masterpiece of inaccurate compression - well done and go away.

As always George a load of bollocks defending Bojo. Even when someone says his scientists seem to be taking a different view on this, than others in their profession from different countries.

It's just fuckin possible you know that they could be advising their government correctly. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

[St.Pauli support]

Turkey closing schools and universities.
They have 1 case.
Maybe...

 

[St.Pauli support]

Any new figures from France anybody?

 

[Uffa]

Go into lockdown now, within 4 weeks when it peaks people will be disobeying the lock down and things will get worse.

You mean when the number of cases peaks, right?
Unless I got it all wrong, that number depends directly on personal contact and doesn't increase autonomously with time. Limiting personal contact would lower/postpone the peak. There wouldn't be that same peak in 4 weeks.

 

[kaz7]

But the old and vulner

that's good, shall we get a sit-down meeting with coronavirus and ask it to come back midway through 2021?

we are trying to kick into the long grass till we have a vaccine,risky

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

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there will be a vaccine,there are ones starting trials now

And they guarantee it will work and be made available to everyone before another bout hits the country? I know they got a vaccine ready to deploy for SARS in about 9 months but it wasn't really needed, and some think they may get this one done in 6 months, which would be great. I really think the herd immunity idea is sensible, but still hope the vaccine is ready in record time.

 

[meltonblue]

I have to say I agree. We seem to be wanting to follow a path which is certain to result in millions infected and tens of thousands of deaths if not 100,000+. But we can see in other countries such as South Korea, which started from a much worse base, they seem to have got it much more under control and would seem to be heading for an outcome - at least this year - much, much better than that.

Our approach would seem to be "well it's going to happen so how can we best deal with it" rather than "how can we stop this from happening". The latter might have seemed impossible but China have managed it. On the course we're on, if we only end up with as many deaths as China, it will be a fucking miracle. And yet they have 20x the population we do.

Exactly. I think as a society we’ve got to question if we have the right priorities. We can recover from the hit to the economy or the societal impact, no matter how hard that may be to do and how long it takes. There’s no recovery from losing loved ones, particularly if we haven’t done everything possible to stop it.

 

[urban genie]

You mean when the number of cases peaks, right?
Unless I got it all wrong, that number depends directly on personal contact and doesn't increase autonomously with time. Limiting personal contact would lower/postpone the peak. There wouldn't be that same peak in 4 weeks.

Exactly, the predictive science says it will peak in 4 weeks, experience in other areas suggest that is true due to inaction and not locking down early.

We are planning for the peak rather than reducing the chance of it happening.

 

[blueeeee]

I have seen many videos from China/Iran/Italy and they don’t to me look like scenes caused by a disease that can just be dealt with through select isolation and herd immunity.

If this method is such a simple/good way of coping, then why are we in the minority in terms of how countries are dealing with this?

 

[Len Rum]

This feels like very selective “following the science” to me. I don’t think enough has been explained as to why the thought process here is to gradually build up immunity and accept the consequences rather than try and reverse the flow of the outbreak and attempt to eradicate it that way, which is proving successful elsewhere. I’m also not sure how there’s enough evidence to back up a lot of the assumptions either.
Hard not to be a bit cynical about that update tbh.

Fazzakerley this.
As I said earlier the two scientists with Bojo at the presser should not have been justifying decisions that were political and/or economic.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Looks like I was right at the start of the week, we have been groomed to other the elderly, those with underlying health conditions and the vulnerable

Re Herd Immunity, I’m not scientist but I imagine it takes years and an available vaccination. A quick Google search:

“Herd Immunity and the Flu
Some vaccines are better at producing herd immunity than others. The measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine is 97% effective at preventing measles. So when lots of people in a community get this vaccine, protection rates stay high.

The flu vaccine is a little different. It's only about 40% to 60% effective in any given year. That's because sometimes the virus strains in the vaccine don't exactly match the virus that spreads.”

We haven’t got a fucking chance!